Topic: George R. R. Martin - A Song of Ice and Fire (1996 - ?)

[jaypee]

I bet the word was "Arya"

Or something.

Hey, anyone have any idea why towards the end of book four when Jaime frees Edmure from the gallows and he's taking a bath in Jaime's tent and Tom o'Sevens is brought into the tent to play Edmure has such a visceral reaction to him? I think he said something like "No, anyone but you!" or something.. but I can't imagine why.

I'm also pretty excited for Tom o'Sevens to open the postern at Riverrun and let in the Brotherhood or whatever they're called so that they can murder all of the Freys in their sleep.

[stonesean]

I bet she said "sword".  As in "I changed my mind. I know when you asked 'Noose or Sword' I originally said noose.  But now that you are going to hang Pod, I now chose Sword."

But it would be great if she said HODOR!

If there were a "like" button.  I would have clicked it.

[jaypee]

By the way.. one of the few times in my life that I've actually laughed out loud at something in a book was in book three when Bran, Jojen, Meera, and Hodor were hiding out in the Queenstower and Hodor was freaking out and Bran shouts "Hodor, stop hodoring!".

[Kessdawg]

By the way.. one of the few times in my life that I've actually laughed out loud at something in a book was in book three when Bran, Jojen, Meera, and Hodor were hiding out in the Queenstower and Hodor was freaking out and Bran shouts "Hodor, stop hodoring!".

+1

[Jay_One]

My favourite line from the book that made me actually laugh out loud was at

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Tyrion and Sansa's wedding

He is told to hurry up with the bedding and he responds by grabbing his newlywed and saying "Come, wife, time to smash your portcullis. I want to play come-into-the-castle."

[Strudel]

I'm also pretty excited for Tom o'Sevens to open the postern at Riverrun and let in the Brotherhood or whatever they're called so that they can murder all of the Freys in their sleep.

Now that you mention that, it would appear Brienne is leading Jaime away so he's not caught up in an impending assault on the Freys. Which highlights the story she fed him about Sansa and the Hound as being more than some petty trap that's completely uncharacteristic of her.

Which now reraises the question of WHAT WAS THAT BLOODY WORD?

[Strudel]

But then who's to say what she said even saved her? Thoros of Myr's power of resurrection is the ultimate test of loyalty. If Brienne doesn't admit to turning her cloak in her final seconds, chances are she's still loyal.

Maybe caetlyn's "hang them" was more of a "administer the test"

[jaypee]

All right, I finally got around to buying book five.

I super despise GRRM again. I'm not sure how spoilery I need to be but I'm operating under the assumption that

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Jon is going to wake up in book six, injured and maybe imprisoned, but alive

I think Stannis is still alive and that Ramsay was lying, but that could easily go either way

Bran is going to do something major to aid his family and/or the Night's Watch

Daenerys is going to bring that other Khalasar with her to Westeros

Something bad is going to happen to Selmy

Things about book 5

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Lady Stoneheart.. please

The Martell storyline has been boring the crap out of me since it started, so I'm sort of glad about Quentyn dying

There are so many threads and characters that it's sort of annoying that GRRM introduced a new storyline with Jon Connington and the Second Sons because he can't fit them all in one book, to wit: Lady Stoneheart and where is Sansa?

Where is Bronn? I hope he reappears

[stonesean]

All right, I finally got around to buying book five.

I super despise GRRM again. I'm not sure how spoilery I need to be but I'm operating under the assumption that

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Jon is going to wake up in book six, injured and maybe imprisoned, but alive

I think Stannis is still alive and that Ramsay was lying, but that could easily go either way

Bran is going to do something major to aid his family and/or the Night's Watch

Daenerys is going to bring that other Khalasar with her to Westeros

Something bad is going to happen to Selmy

::::::::::::::::::::In Martin's world, guys like him do seem to get tragic deaths.  Let's hope he goes out a hero anyway....

Since we are playing the prediction game...

I personally think that Jon will be Azor Ahai reborn, but that's probably me just hoping that Martin keeps Jon's fairly standard fantasy hero story arc alive.  (Snow is the only character who seems to be following a predictable story arc) His "death" and rebirth will free him from his obligation to the Nights Watch, honor being so important to him and all......

Oh, and Jon's father isn't Ned Stark, it's Rhaegar Targaryn......Lyanna Stark is his mother.......This will allow him to marry Dany......:::::::::::::

Things about book 5

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Lady Stoneheart.. please

The Martell storyline has been boring the crap out of me since it started, so I'm sort of glad about Quentyn dying

There are so many threads and characters that it's sort of annoying that GRRM introduced a new storyline with Jon Connington and the Second Sons because he can't fit them all in one book, to wit: Lady Stoneheart and where is Sansa?

Where is Bronn? I hope he reappears

[jaypee]

All right, I finally got around to buying book five.

I super despise GRRM again. I'm not sure how spoilery I need to be but I'm operating under the assumption that

(click to show/hide)

Jon is going to wake up in book six, injured and maybe imprisoned, but alive

I think Stannis is still alive and that Ramsay was lying, but that could easily go either way

Bran is going to do something major to aid his family and/or the Night's Watch

Daenerys is going to bring that other Khalasar with her to Westeros

Something bad is going to happen to Selmy

::::::::::::::::::::In Martin's world, guys like him do seem to get tragic deaths.  Let's hope he goes out a hero anyway....

Since we are playing the prediction game...

I personally think that Jon will be Azor Ahai reborn, but that's probably me just hoping that Martin keeps Jon's fairly standard fantasy hero story arc alive.  (Snow is the only character who seems to be following a predictable story arc) His "death" and rebirth will free him from his obligation to the Nights Watch, honor being so important to him and all......

Oh, and Jon's father isn't Ned Stark, it's Rhaegar Targaryn......Lyanna Stark is his mother.......This will allow him to marry Dany......:::::::::::::

Things about book 5

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Lady Stoneheart.. please

The Martell storyline has been boring the crap out of me since it started, so I'm sort of glad about Quentyn dying

There are so many threads and characters that it's sort of annoying that GRRM introduced a new storyline with Jon Connington and the Second Sons because he can't fit them all in one book, to wit: Lady Stoneheart and where is Sansa?

Where is Bronn? I hope he reappears

I actually agree with your first point, but as to your second.. I dunno. He doesn't have any of the physical traits that would make that make sense, unless I'm way off base.

[PANTS!]

Yes -

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RT + LS = JS is pretty much the accepted version of how all this will play out.

As far as AA.  It could be Jon.  There certainly was smoke and salt when he dies and is (hopefully?) reborn.  But I think it is more likely to be Dany.  Remember Maester Amon's ramblings about how dragons have no sex, and how "prince" could just as easily be "princess".  Plus it makes even more sense if you think of Lightbringer as being the dragons.  Especially since she got them when she pulled them out of her husbands funeral pyre.

If I had to stab in the dark, I would guess AA and the PwwP are different, and Jon is the PwwP while Dany is the AA.

Or perhaps it is both?

[DeepGlue]

I actually agree with your first point, but as to your second.. I dunno. He doesn't have any of the physical traits that would make that make sense, unless I'm way off base.

Yeah, check out the essay at Tower of the Hand. It's pretty undeniable. And absolutely brilliant. It's like evolution - no one piece of evidence proves it, but taken all together...

[PANTS!]

I personally think the most interesting story line of the last book was that of the young Griff.

[jaypee]

I personally think the most interesting story line of the last book was that of the young Griff.

I don't dislike the storyline, I just dislike the fact that he introduced a new storyline in book 5 when he can't even contain all of the existing storylines in one book.

[PANTS!]

I personally think the most interesting story line of the last book was that of the young Griff.

I don't dislike the storyline, I just dislike the fact that he introduced a new storyline in book 5 when he can't even contain all of the existing storylines in one book.

I get where you are coming from.  But I do not think he introduced that storyline in book 5.  The characters - yes.  To be sure.  But the storyline......   No.  I think the issue is he took way too fucking long to get to the point where Tyrion goes east.  I imagine that before he wrote his "Brienne tours war torn westeros" series of short stories (seriously - why didn't you publish them as a book of short stories Martin...)  Young Griff was to be a player by the end of book 2 the beginning of book 3 at the latest.