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Re: NECSS 2016
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2016, 02:44:29 PM »
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Re: NECSS 2016
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2016, 04:48:45 PM »
I wish they'd have one of these kinds of conferences in the western part of the country in winter, when I'm not hiking, since the hiking season is too short to pass up for anything. I gather than TAM is no more? Maybe a new west-coast event but in January. I'd go, if the dates were announced early enough that I didn't already have other plans.

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Re: NECSS 2016
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2016, 06:42:40 PM »
Pretty sure I'll be working. Shame of it is I'll be in NYC on may 1 for something else.
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Re: NECSS 2016
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2016, 06:47:00 PM »
Now that Dawkins is out, I am seriously considering going. I do have a *lot* of debt I need to pay off first, though. I might be in a better position come May but that's cutting it really close...
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Re: NECSS 2016
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2016, 03:40:35 PM »
Have fun those that go! I will be in New Orleans at the time but maybe in NYC in a few weeks.

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Re: NECSS 2016
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2016, 07:14:45 PM »
I think I've been listening to SGU for about 7 years or so, and I've always enjoyed it. I'm not really a fan of Dawkin's writings and do not endorse or condemn any of his views. But hearing about this whole NECSS ordeal just makes me think that far too much of this movement is caught up in ideological purity and right-thinking. Maybe it always was. In any case, I'm unsubscribing from the podcast. If we can't have calm discussions and hear from those who we disagree with on political and social issues, this really is not a movement I want any part of. I think I get exposure to enough tiring culture war flareups on other sections of the internet. So long, and I wish the panel and everyone else the best.

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Re: NECSS 2016
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2016, 07:25:44 PM »
I think I've been listening to SGU for about 7 years or so, and I've always enjoyed it. I'm not really a fan of Dawkin's writings and do not endorse or condemn any of his views. But hearing about this whole NECSS ordeal just makes me think that far too much of this movement is caught up in ideological purity and right-thinking. Maybe it always was. In any case, I'm unsubscribing from the podcast. If we can't have calm discussions and hear from those who we disagree with on political and social issues, this really is not a movement I want any part of. I think I get exposure to enough tiring culture war flareups on other sections of the internet. So long, and I wish the panel and everyone else the best.

That's too bad, mej322. There are only a few topics that this particular community tends to erupt over. Equality, broadly speaking (including topics like feminism, social justice, racism, and some elements of politics) is one. Healthy eating is another. I don't go near those threads. Most of the threads are well argued, relatively polite, often funny, and generally forgiving, though.
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Re: NECSS 2016
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2016, 08:34:21 PM »
I think I've been listening to SGU for about 7 years or so, and I've always enjoyed it. I'm not really a fan of Dawkin's writings and do not endorse or condemn any of his views. But hearing about this whole NECSS ordeal just makes me think that far too much of this movement is caught up in ideological purity and right-thinking. Maybe it always was. In any case, I'm unsubscribing from the podcast. If we can't have calm discussions and hear from those who we disagree with on political and social issues, this really is not a movement I want any part of. I think I get exposure to enough tiring culture war flareups on other sections of the internet. So long, and I wish the panel and everyone else the best.

I'm sorry to hear that to.

I would however like the add that the community is about more than the conventions, functions and the 'figureheads'. For many its a chance to engage in that part of the world where reason and logic are welcomed (if not always warmly embraced), and where people get to talk about, share and enjoy socialising with others in a way that may not be available in their local community.

I too, like yourself, find it frustrating when we have these little flare ups that may appear to have more to do with social issues rather than purely scientific ones, with "ideological purity" rather than intelligent debate and "right-thinking" rather than exploring ideas. But I also understand that these are real issues and that they affect real people and are views that people are passionate about. It is unsurprising that when people are passionate they offer passionate responses. Of course, these are issues where it's difficult to determine the absolutes that so many of us crave.

It is disappointing to hear that these passionate community members are driving away people who share those values of inquiry, debate and exploration while trying to be inclusive and inviting to all groups. I can understand you feeling that the focus moves from the topics that we have in common, to those which are divisive. But I suppose that is in part the consequence of community - if we only talk about the things that we have in common we have an echo chamber, if we exclude those who want to talk about things that make us uncomfortable we take on a cult like dimension.

I'm sorry to learn that you want to unsubscribe, but I would encourage you to consider what is is you are unsubscribing from and why - if it's that the group no longer holds the values that lead you to join - I think you should voice that, loudly and clearly, maybe it can encourage the debate and discussion that brings the back to the core values that you do appreciate. then again it may be that you think that it's  lost cause, or one that's not worth trying to 'save'...

In any event, feel free to hang around here, we have discussion on all manner of topics - I'll see if I can find that "directly down wind fast than the wind" thread....

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Re: NECSS 2016
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2016, 06:27:05 AM »
I am very sad about the removal of Richard Dawkins, mainly for the reason he was removed. It is an illogical reason and very much an opinion that has nothing to do with skepticism. I wanted to go to NECSS this year. I feel like I would not be welcome because I think being offended is not a valid reason to deny someone the right to speak. Would he have been removed if the animation were between two fundamentalists (christian and muslim)? I doubt it. There is an oppression here, a code of belief that seems to be required. That makes me sad for skepticism.

I could choose to be offended by the fact that none of the speakers are black. I could choose to be offended by any opinion that I disagree with. It would not be a valid reason to exclude anyone. It is ideological bullying. Agree with our particular social stance or we will shut you out. That is not a skeptical stance.

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Re: NECSS 2016
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2016, 07:36:20 AM »
I am very sad about the removal of Richard Dawkins, mainly for the reason he was removed. It is an illogical reason and very much an opinion that has nothing to do with skepticism. I wanted to go to NECSS this year. I feel like I would not be welcome because I think being offended is not a valid reason to deny someone the right to speak. Would he have been removed if the animation were between two fundamentalists (christian and muslim)? I doubt it. There is an oppression here, a code of belief that seems to be required. That makes me sad for skepticism.

I could choose to be offended by the fact that none of the speakers are black. I could choose to be offended by any opinion that I disagree with. It would not be a valid reason to exclude anyone. It is ideological bullying. Agree with our particular social stance or we will shut you out. That is not a skeptical stance.

Dawkins' removal is covered in this thread.
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Re: NECSS 2016
« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2016, 10:38:47 AM »
I would recommend that anyone concerned about the decision to remove Dawkins as a speaker go read Steve Novella's explanation linked here.  And please, consider reading it as if it was literally the truth, as much of the whole truth as will ever need to be said.  Don't feel obliged to assign motives or reasoning beyond what is laid out in the blog post.
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Re: NECSS 2016
« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2016, 11:15:21 AM »
It's funny (or sad) to think that NECSS's attempt to mend some fences is now being counted as points against the organization.  They could have stuck with their traditional speaker lineup and never invited Dawkins in the first place and not a single person would have flipped out over their "oppressing" free speech.  Shame on them for trying something new and having to make difficult choices! 

Makes me wonder how many institutions/communities grow and become successful because they don't share their any of the big decisions with 99% of the members.

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Re: NECSS 2016
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2016, 08:46:18 PM »
Important to read Steve`s explanation, of course, but there are also good comments out there pointing at important weaknesses in Steve`s explanation. Like this one: http://www.michaelnugent.com/2016/02/01/necss-reconsider-dawkins-decision/#more-13260
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The strategy is, according to Steve it seems, a more sensitive, non-polarized (God forbid) and homogenous platform. But sceptics are not a homogenous group, and NECCS are obviously not catering to the segment of sceptics who wants to be challenged and who have nothing left for people feeling "offended" or even tabus.     

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Re: NECSS 2016
« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2016, 04:10:29 PM »
Aujourd'hui j'ai vu un facteur joyeux.

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Re: NECSS 2016
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2016, 10:26:52 PM »
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