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Parrish:
Let me get this thread back on track.

I recently enrolled back into school after a 15 year break and all we have are Mac's and I fucking hate them!!!!
What I hate more is the instructors who are standing over me telling me how awsome Mac's are because they are so easy to use. Despite the fact it takes twice as many fucking steps to do EVERYTHING!!!!!! HOW IS THIS EASIER!!!!!!!

Oh, and not to mention on these BRAND NEW MAC's they lock up and freeze every time I use them!!! Most of the time while the instructor is telling me how stable they are!!! How in the hell do people get any work done on these things!!!!

Why would some idiot pay twice as much for something that works half as good is beyond me.

PS, I use XP, not Vista.

mindme:
I don't like how some Apple people approach Apple as it it's a lifestyle. It's a tool. That's it.

Sandwich:

--- Quote from: mindme on Aug 26, 2008, 05:11:12 PM ---I don't like how some Apple people approach Apple as it it's a lifestyle. It's a tool. That's it.


--- End quote ---

Apple markets itself as a lifestyle. It's a tool that doubles as a fashion statement.

moj:

--- Quote from: Sandwich on Aug 26, 2008, 05:56:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: mindme on Aug 26, 2008, 05:11:12 PM ---I don't like how some Apple people approach Apple as it it's a lifestyle. It's a tool. That's it.


--- End quote ---

Apple markets itself as a lifestyle. It's a tool that doubles as a fashion statement.

--- End quote ---

while its a brilliant marketing campaign its ridiculous that people take it seriously as that.

unpossible:
All products are marketed as brands. Even basic staples like baking soda and oatmeal are branded. This isn't anything new. People's identities have always been tied up in the things they own and the products they consume. The clothes you wear, the car you drive, the music you listen to (in public), and most everything else you consume is, to at least some extent, chosen to show others who you are and who you aren't. Branding per se is mostly tied to the rise of mass production, but using consumption to establish identity and status is positively ancient.

It is just as likely that someone will avoid buying a Mac because it conveys the wrong image as they will buy one because it conveys the right one. Hating Apple because of its marketing is exactly the same as loving them because of it. Someone who truly didn't care about marketing and didn't care about what people thought about them and the things they owned and used would be completely indifferent to how or if Apple marketed its stuff.

@Parrish: you seem to have had a bad experience with Macintosh computers, but not everyone shares that experience. I have two. Neither have been as reliable as my most reliable Linux rigs, but both have been among the most reliable computers I've used. I find them generally easier to use and faster to work with--if you tale them for what they are and use them they way they were meant to be used, and not as though they were Windows knockoffs that are supposed to work the same way. Like Windows, there are many ways to do things and, like Windows, the methods chosen by novices are usually sub-optimal. Either way, MacOS works differently from Windows, and if you expect one to work just like the other, you're not going to be very efficient.

When you last priced Macs in 1991, they may well have cost twice what a comparable PC cost, and while an iMac may still run twice the price of a bargain basement Dell, Macs aren't significantly different in price to a comparably equipped PC. I just did a quick comparison between a 20" iMac with 4GB RAM and a 500MB disk and the closest comparable Dell XPS and got $1600 for the iMac and about $1900 or so for the Dell, though specing out Dells can get confusing, so maybe I made a mistake or two. I'm not sure if the Dell includes wireless or Bluetooth (I assume it does) and it's certainly more of an eyesore. Furthermore, Macs have historically had service lives that averaged at least a year or two more than PCs, making the annual TCO probably lower even if the purchase price does end up moderately higher.

But, seriously, these days, all modern OSes are reasonably stable and usable, and the huge price differentials for IBM and Apple-branded machines that existed in the 90s are long gone. You can opt for a cheap machine or a good machine, but once you opt for a good one, it doesn't make a huge economic difference whether you go Apple, Dell, or any other brand, so you might as well get what you personally like and will be most comfortable and productive with.

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