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SGU 5x5 #33
« on: August 21, 2008, 07:14:17 AM »
Podcast #33    The Shroud of Turn - Shroud scientists try to resurrect the controversy

http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-na-turin17-2008aug17,0,7630890.story
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Re: SGU 5x5 #33
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2008, 10:17:55 AM »
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Re: SGU 5x5 #33
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2008, 11:30:37 AM »
Jesus could have had tempera paint for blood if He wanted to :P

As for this retest harming anyone, I want to know who is paying for it?  If it's public money then people will be harmed.
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Re: SGU 5x5 #33
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2008, 12:57:19 PM »
Jesus could have had tempera paint for blood if He wanted to :P

As for this retest harming anyone, I want to know who is paying for it?  If it's public money then people will be harmed.

It damn sure won't be the church's money...
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2008, 08:45:23 AM »

As for this retest harming anyone, I want to know who is paying for it?  If it's public money then people will be harmed.

I totally agree with bigjohn this point. I don't care if the newspapers spend time, money and space on this. I don't care that a church somewhere wants to spend private money on this. But when Los Alamos National Labs spend time on this, that is where I draw the line. I work with several of the national lab. These guys are doing amazing work some using some of the most brilliant minds in the world. The work they are doing are extremely important everything from national defense, and environmental studies and medical advances. Yet the project that I am dealing with are scratching for funds to keep not only the nation but peace for other countries as well.

I would love to see the a**hole manager at LANL that said "yes, I think it is a good idea to spend public funds to do carbon dating on the Shroud of Turn" fired. From LANL's website:

"Los Alamos National Laboratory is a premier national security research institution, delivering scientific and engineering solutions for the nation's most crucial and complex problems. Our primary responsibility is ensuring the safety, security, and reliability of the nation's nuclear deterrent."

I would love to find out how the shroud fits into what LANL does.

Does anyone know if they actually did spend money on this or if the believers are just using some retired LANL chemist's name (Ray Rodgers) to add legitimacy to claims. If so, we need to find out how to stop future waste of public funds on this.
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Re: SGU 5x5 #33
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2008, 11:56:44 PM »
I disagree that testing it again won't convince anybody. It may help convince some fence sitters, particualry young fence sitters who haven't heard much about it before and for whom its not old news. I agree that if its public money then its a disgrace to test it again but I'm fine with people wasting their private money to help us do our jobs.
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Re: SGU 5x5 #33
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2008, 08:57:18 PM »
I disagree that testing it again won't convince anybody. It may help convince some fence sitters, particualry young fence sitters who haven't heard much about it before and for whom its not old news. I agree that if its public money then its a disgrace to test it again but I'm fine with people wasting their private money to help us do our jobs.

fence sitters are always great to capture, but i think, like it was mentioned on the podcast, that there's already tons of evidence out there pointing to the fact that it's a fraud - in the sense that it's actually a jesus towel.  if you look at it as a work of art, it's great.  i think the biggest evidence is the fact that the 'blood' of jesus is just paint.  radiocarbon dating is great and all (it is), but the masses don't necessarily get it - it's just a big word and people don't like big words.
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Re: SGU 5x5 #33
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2008, 10:42:00 AM »
Keep testing it, year after year. After a while the damn thing will have gone and then end of story. Maybe if they tested a REALLY big piece........
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