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Offline Plastique

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Re: The Hobbit (2011)
« Reply #720 on: Apr 25, 2012, 02:09:15 PM »
The extra frames really detract from it that much?
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Re: The Hobbit (2011)
« Reply #721 on: Apr 25, 2012, 02:38:04 PM »
Quote from: Plastique on Apr 25, 2012, 02:09:15 PM
The extra frames really detract from it that much?

I've got a hunch that if tested it would turn out a lot like wine tasting - blind everyone involved and the ability to tell the difference would quickly drop away for almost everyone.
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Re: The Hobbit (2011)
« Reply #722 on: Apr 25, 2012, 02:42:34 PM »
Quote from: amysrevenge on Apr 25, 2012, 02:38:04 PM
Quote from: Plastique on Apr 25, 2012, 02:09:15 PM
The extra frames really detract from it that much?

I've got a hunch that if tested it would turn out a lot like wine tasting - blind everyone involved and the ability to tell the difference would quickly drop away for almost everyone.

Well sure; they'd all be looking at blindfolds :P.  Seriously though, I don't think the difference in frame rates is as subjective as taste where actually perceiving a difference is concerned.  Cut the standard frame rate in half and I'm sure you'd notice a difference, so why not when doubling it?  Also, I don't think I've seen anyone dispute how different the experience is, only how they responded to it.  Jackson himself intro'd the montage by acknowledging that it will take some getting used to.
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Re: The Hobbit (2011)
« Reply #723 on: Apr 25, 2012, 03:30:56 PM »
Quote from: Eternally Learning on Apr 25, 2012, 02:42:34 PM
Quote from: amysrevenge on Apr 25, 2012, 02:38:04 PM
Quote from: Plastique on Apr 25, 2012, 02:09:15 PM
The extra frames really detract from it that much?

I've got a hunch that if tested it would turn out a lot like wine tasting - blind everyone involved and the ability to tell the difference would quickly drop away for almost everyone.

Well sure; they'd all be looking at blindfolds :P.  Seriously though, I don't think the difference in frame rates is as subjective as taste where actually perceiving a difference is concerned.  Cut the standard frame rate in half and I'm sure you'd notice a difference, so why not when doubling it?  Also, I don't think I've seen anyone dispute how different the experience is, only how they responded to it.  Jackson himself intro'd the montage by acknowledging that it will take some getting used to.

Yeah, it's definitely noticeable. I've seen the same thing in TV showrooms, and on some movies the frame rate bump makes it looks very strange. The difference in quality makes it appear much more....staged. It's possible that the industry will adjust, but I think it's akin to newscasters on HD stations wearing makeup for old definition television. When you see them on HD, you sometimes go "WTF is wrong with their faces?"
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Re: The Hobbit (2011)
« Reply #724 on: Apr 25, 2012, 04:01:15 PM »
Quote from: Eternally Learning on Apr 25, 2012, 01:33:31 PM


Lol!  Two and a half months later and he comes through!!
I had forgotten all about this thread until I saw the update today.
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Re: The Hobbit (2011)
« Reply #725 on: Apr 25, 2012, 05:16:14 PM »
A middle of the road discussion of the released video:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/story/2012/04/25/hobbit-movie-peter-jackson.html

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Indeed, the footage was vivid, with grass blades, facial lines and soaring mountains appearing luminous and pronounced. The actors looked almost touchable, as if they were performing live on stage.

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Jackson warned the new approach would take time to adjust to. Some bloggers agreed, quickly branding the footage released Tuesday as a failure in digital technology. The critics claimed the unfinished scenes looked like a low-budget TV show.

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The footage of the hobbit's hometown is stunning, with each colour having almost a neon glow.

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Re: The Hobbit (2011)
« Reply #726 on: Apr 25, 2012, 06:51:48 PM »
I've never gotten used to seeing movies higher than 24 fps. 120 Hz technology in modern TVs works great for sports, nature documentaries, and video games. But for movies I always have it off. No matter how much blur I get I just can't stand it. Makes me feel like I'm not watching a movie. I anxiously await OLED TVs with greatly improved response time.

So this movie will only be shown at 48 fps? Sucks.

Well... perhaps 120 Hz bothers me because of the interpolation, and maybe it wouldn't if those things were actually filmed at 120 or 60 fps. And/or perhaps I will get used to it with time.
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Re: The Hobbit (2011)
« Reply #727 on: Apr 25, 2012, 08:37:22 PM »
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The critics claimed the unfinished scenes looked like a low-budget TV show.
Maybe the bolded part is the key word here...
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Re: The Hobbit (2011)
« Reply #728 on: Apr 26, 2012, 12:02:42 AM »
It reminds me of when HD was first spreading, and some people were comparing it to the traditionally 30 fps soap operas and saying that it appeared cheap or low budget. I'm excited to see it in action.
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Re: The Hobbit (2011)
« Reply #729 on: Apr 26, 2012, 10:09:51 AM »
Quote from: stretcher on Apr 26, 2012, 12:02:42 AM
It reminds me of when HD was first spreading, and some people were comparing it to the traditionally 30 fps soap operas and saying that it appeared cheap or low budget. I'm excited to see it in action.

The comparison to soap operas is not something people did with all HD. It was a comparison that cropped up with HD televisions that employed auto-motion plus, which was a technology that artificially increased the frame rate. I think it was on certain samsung TVs.
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Re: The Hobbit (2011)
« Reply #730 on: Apr 26, 2012, 01:35:40 PM »
Yeah, that's 120 Hz (or some have 240 Hz) technology. Every brand has their own slick term for it.
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Re: The Hobbit (2011)
« Reply #731 on: Apr 26, 2012, 03:40:32 PM »
Today's Ain't It Cool video has an effects guy talking about increased frame rates.

Episode IV: THE NEW CINEMA OF DOUGLAS TRUMBULL - AIN'T IT COOL With Harry Knowles
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Re: The Hobbit (2011)
« Reply #732 on: Apr 27, 2012, 01:36:28 AM »
That was an insightful interview, but I don't get how eliminating blur is supposed to look more "real" when in real life, fast-moving objects appear blurred.

I'm curious to see the technology in action, however.
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Re: The Hobbit (2011)
« Reply #733 on: Apr 27, 2012, 10:04:54 AM »
I wasn't all that excited to see the hobbit until I found out about this 48fps thing.  I can't wait to see it now.
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Re: The Hobbit (2011)
« Reply #734 on: Jul 11, 2012, 06:53:43 AM »
An awesome promo image with a lot of new stuff:

http://www.ew.com/ew/special/0,,20399642_20610399,00.html
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