Topic: The Hobbit (2011)

[David E.]

Why don't you put her in charge!

[stonesean]

A tangential point, if I may, that I nevertheless feel needs to be addressed:

Plus, "Terminator 2" actually gives Aliens a run for its money for most perfectly crafted action film ever made.

No, it doesn't, because it has an annoying kid in it. Now granted, Aliens has a kid too, but it still wins on points because the kid keeps her trap shut most of the time.

Honestly he never bothered me.  You are the first person who ever expressed anoyance with him to me.

Doesn't the "annoying kid" in Terminator 2 make much more sense than the kid in Aliens?

It's a well established story point that Sarah Connor has a son who will eventually be the man who leads mankind in the war against the machines.    That's her son. 

In Aliens they find a single survivor of the colony on LV-426.  It's a little girl which can make various degrees of sense depending on how you look at the issue.  She is not 100% vital to the story. 

Unlike John Connor, who MUST be in the story.  You can't not have him in the film.

Was he really that annoying?  I never thought so.

Neither did I.

I just wonder why someone would think the character of John Connor in the Terminator films could be dismissed....there's no movies without him.

Someone needs to rewatch the original Terminator movie. Take a stopwatch and see how much screen time John Connor has.

Are you saying that the sequels could have been made with no John Connor in them?

Could a sequel have been made with Sarah Connor in it with no John Connor?

If you mention that retarded television series, I'll punch you through the internet....

[Sordid]

Are you saying that the sequels could have been made with no John Connor in them?

Could a sequel have been made with Sarah Connor in it with no John Connor?

Nobody says it should've been made with no John Connor, what I'm saying is that it should've been made without a kid. Not the same thing.
Though now that you mention it, I'd have liked to see a desperate war of Connor-less humanity against the machines even more than I would've liked to see a T2 with an adult John Connor. It would go perfectly with T2's "no fate but what we make" theme. We have no John Connor, but we win anyway. That would've been awesome.

Oh, and one other thing: The time travel gimmick was acceptable once. Building a film on it the second time is just asking too much in terms of suspension of disbelief, at least for me.

[Vincegamer]

I think it would have been awesome if a sequel found out that there was no "John Connor" and that he was just a made-up figure to inspire the resistance and give them hope. 
Sort of a sci-fi Prester John.

(and of course the robots believed the fiction and sent one back in time to kill some unfortunate woman who happened to be named Connor and have a son named John)

[Kwisatz Haderach]

I think it would have been awesome if a sequel found out that there was no "John Connor" and that he was just a made-up figure to inspire the resistance and give them hope. 
Sort of a sci-fi Prester John.

(and of course the robots believed the fiction and sent one back in time to kill some unfortunate woman who happened to be named Connor and have a son named John)

That would have been much better than sequels they actually made.  Maybe you can write that film and have them "reboot" the Terminator series with that premise.

[David E.]

I really don't get the hate for T3.  I thought it was a great action movie with a fantastic ending.

[stonesean]

I really don't get the hate for T3.  I thought it was a great action movie with a fantastic ending.

My review for T3 is similar, but less enthusiastic.

I wouldn't call it "great" but it was far better than I expected, and I was happy the film makers had the guts to end it like it needed to end.

[Vincegamer]

What I really didn't like about the sequels was that the robots advanced way too fast and then somehow regressed back to the schwarzeneger version by the time Connors grew up.
Maybe that was just a problem with T4 though.

[Neon Genesis]

I really don't get the hate for T3.  I thought it was a great action movie with a fantastic ending.

It was certainly better than the horribly racist T2.

[Kwisatz Haderach]

I really don't get the hate for T3.  I thought it was a great action movie with a fantastic ending.

It was certainly better than the horribly racist T2.

What was racist about T2?

[Sordid]

Um... the black dude died? That's about the only thing I can think of. I don't see it either.

[stonesean]

There was that one scene with Mickey Rooney as the asian Terminator, but I thought that was only in the directors cut.

[alexbutterfield]

I think it would have been awesome if a sequel found out that there was no "John Connor" and that he was just a made-up figure to inspire the resistance and give them hope. 
Sort of a sci-fi Prester John.

(and of course the robots believed the fiction and sent one back in time to kill some unfortunate woman who happened to be named Connor and have a son named John)

That would have been much better than sequels they actually made.  Maybe you can write that film and have them "reboot" the Terminator series with that premise.

i was just about to say the same thing.

though that idea could probably be refitted without it being about terminators and machines etc. just a time travel movie would do it. pretty good idea. keep his non-existence secret until the twist ending.

[MisterMarc]

Um... the black dude died? That's about the only thing I can think of. I don't see it either.

You mean Joe Morton? Love that guy! See him on the street all the time, I think he lives around my office somewhere. He was also in Brother From Another Planet.

I'm also not seeing the racist angle in T2.

[Vincegamer]

There was that one scene with Mickey Rooney as the asian Terminator, but I thought that was only in the directors cut.

A thread about the Hobbit, redirects into a long discussion about the Terminator, then gets a Breakfast at Tiffany's reference?  I love this forum.