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Re: Real Time With Bill Maher
« Reply #510 on: Apr 29, 2012, 09:41:33 AM »
One of the best lines of the Correspondent's Dinner, from Jimmy Kimmel:

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Re: Real Time With Bill Maher
« Reply #511 on: Jan 25, 2013, 06:57:44 PM »
Bill had the flu for a day, not a big deal.
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Re: Real Time With Bill Maher
« Reply #512 on: Feb 01, 2013, 10:20:09 PM »
What does Bill Maher have against welfare and Medicare anyway?

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Re: Real Time With Bill Maher
« Reply #513 on: Feb 01, 2013, 10:22:23 PM »
What does Bill Maher have against welfare and Medicare anyway?

He is rich?
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Re: Real Time With Bill Maher
« Reply #514 on: Feb 01, 2013, 10:24:21 PM »
My problem with welfare is that it's too easy to leech if you're not motivated to improve your situation. My problem with Medicare is that it's too fucking expensive mainly because it only helps the older population who don't contribute anymore, when it should apply to everyone. Then you could use price controls to keep costs at a less absurd level.
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Re: Real Time With Bill Maher
« Reply #515 on: Feb 01, 2013, 10:41:53 PM »
Too easy to leech and too hard for folks who need help. I really don't give a shit about leeches. There will always be leeches. They have to live a leech life.
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Re: Real Time With Bill Maher
« Reply #516 on: Feb 01, 2013, 10:45:17 PM »
My problem with it, having been a recipient when I was a kid, is that it's pretty well all or nothing. If both of your parents are rendered unemployed like mine were back in the 80s when my dad was laid off and my mom went into a deep depression, welfare does its job fairly well. However, there's a little bit of a sliding scale but then it just kind of goes away, as it did when my dad got a job as a maintenance man at the apartment complex we lived at at the time. There's not a lot of positive incentive for people to take that first step towards getting back on their feet.

There is, on the other hand, a great deal of negative incentive. Much of the lingering conservative outcry over welfare was drummed out by the Republican Congress and Bill Clinton in the 90s. It now has a time limit and recipients are expected to retrain themselves for new jobs while they're on the government dole. It's really not all that easy to leech off the system anymore, even if you have a lot of kids; there just aren't all that many "welfare queens" out there anymore.

The real issue with Medicare, let's face it, is that it provides a level of service to old people that everyone should be getting. However, if we try to expand it, those old assholes turn right around and scream "SOCIALIZED MEDICINE" at the top of their lungs until we half-ass our way into a Republican-sponsored system that the Republicans suddenly don't like anymore due to some sort of reverse Your Brother's Toy situation.
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Re: Real Time With Bill Maher
« Reply #517 on: Feb 01, 2013, 10:59:18 PM »
According to Wikipedia, the welfare queen myth originated with Reader's Digest who ran sensationalized stories about women who abused the welfare system while simuatenously running stories about men on welfare who successfully escaped the system, although earlier stories did focus on men more.  Ronald Reagan and the GOP took the label of welfare queen and made sweeping generaliztions of women on welfare in order to dismantle Democrat programs they already hated.  The myth of the welfare queen continued to evolve to include African Americans who were stereotyped as being lazy with women being portrayed as being unable to control their sexuality.  It is curious that in the last season when Bill Maher did his little "survey" on welfare queens, almost everyone he found just so happened to be black. 

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Re: Real Time With Bill Maher
« Reply #518 on: Feb 01, 2013, 11:03:38 PM »
I am willing to accept that the "welfare queen" talking point is a myth, so I'll definitely look into it.

The real issue with Medicare, let's face it, is that it provides a level of service to old people that everyone should be getting. However, if we try to expand it, those old assholes turn right around and scream "SOCIALIZED MEDICINE" at the top of their lungs until we half-ass our way into a Republican-sponsored system that the Republicans suddenly don't like anymore due to some sort of reverse Your Brother's Toy situation.

100% agreed with this. It's amazing that the beneficiaries of Medicare want to keep it away from the rest of us. But perhaps that's a myth as well? Maybe it was only the vocal minority we heard during the health care debates.
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Re: Real Time With Bill Maher
« Reply #519 on: Feb 01, 2013, 11:47:12 PM »
My problem with it, having been a recipient when I was a kid, is that it's pretty well all or nothing. If both of your parents are rendered unemployed like mine were back in the 80s when my dad was laid off and my mom went into a deep depression, welfare does its job fairly well. However, there's a little bit of a sliding scale but then it just kind of goes away, as it did when my dad got a job as a maintenance man at the apartment complex we lived at at the time. There's not a lot of positive incentive for people to take that first step towards getting back on their feet.

I can understand reforming genuine concerns about the welfare system like the problems you mention here but I feel like Bill Maher isn't really interested in these genuine concerns and is just parroting commonly accepted myths about welfare that he's super imposing on everyone who uses the system.  Are there people who abuse welfare?  Sure, I've known people like that in my life myself, like this one couple at my parents' church who used to use food stamps and borrow money for stuff they weren't supposed to buy from the system all the time.  But then there were other people at their church who were on welfare who were honest hard workers and never abused anything and I don't see why they should lose their benefits in the name of this stereotyped myth that people too easily buy into.  And while I enjoy Bill Maher's show, he can sometimes be odd in that one moment he'll be hyper-partisan and cheerleading the Democrats, then all of a sudden, he'll switch to unquestioningly supporting the Republicans on something like destroying Islam or something.  Like earlier in the new episode, he was fully on the side of the hippie conspiracies about GMO food and unquestioningly bought into all the conspiracies about how evil corporations were hiding what was in our food but then all of a sudden he switches towards unquestioningly accepting right wing talking points about welfare and cutting social safety net programs.  What happened to that diagram he had last season with the bloated military budget on it?

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Re: Real Time With Bill Maher
« Reply #520 on: Feb 02, 2013, 12:11:53 AM »
Well, he does this often. He swings to the opposite side within reason.
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Re: Real Time With Bill Maher
« Reply #521 on: Feb 02, 2013, 09:09:02 AM »
It's called being fair and balanced, libtards!
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Re: Real Time With Bill Maher
« Reply #522 on: Feb 02, 2013, 10:32:21 AM »
It's called being fair and balanced, libtards!

Yes. He doesn't strawman the other side. When they have good points he acknowledges it.
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Re: Real Time With Bill Maher
« Reply #523 on: Feb 02, 2013, 11:29:57 AM »
I do recall though that he once claimed that all middle Eastern men were sexist and this was why no white women wanted to date them but I don't know if he was just joking or not.

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Re: Real Time With Bill Maher
« Reply #524 on: Feb 02, 2013, 11:50:49 AM »
I do recall though that he once claimed that all middle Eastern men were sexist and this was why no white women wanted to date them but I don't know if he was just joking or not.

People still want to date white women?

 

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