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Bike ban for kids?
« on: Feb 24, 2009, 07:04:50 AM »
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/5/2382/Motorcycle-Article/Lead-Ban-Stops-Youth-ATV-and-Motorcycle-Sales.aspx

I'm not sure, but this seem extreme and insane.

Is it really likely for ANYONE to get lead poisoning from a valve-stem?
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Re: Bike ban for kids?
« Reply #1 on: Feb 24, 2009, 07:18:24 AM »
Is it really likely for ANYONE to get lead poisoning from a valve-stem?

I'd guess that the main possible source of contact with lead would be battery terminals. How difficult would it be to substitute a non-lead battery type, or a lead battery with all the lead sealed inside, connected to terminals of another metal?
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 24, 2009, 08:37:24 AM »
Is it really likely for ANYONE to get lead poisoning from a valve-stem?

I'd guess that the main possible source of contact with lead would be battery terminals. How difficult would it be to substitute a non-lead battery type*, or a lead battery with all the lead sealed inside, connected to terminals of another metal?

Very.  Lead-acid batteries are very cheap and very effective for their task.  No other battery can compete with them for longevity.  Their only downside is their lower power density, but that's irrelivent for their application.

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Re: Bike ban for kids?
« Reply #3 on: Feb 24, 2009, 09:55:00 AM »
After a little research it seems that the lead ban stems from a law that bans lead in anything labeled "for children 12 and under".

It was originally meant for toys (that little kids can put into their mouths), and has now extended to include anything labeled for kids of that grouping.

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« Reply #4 on: Feb 24, 2009, 10:09:48 AM »
Would I be showing my ignorance of US culture if I wondered what the hell kids under 12 were doing riding around on motor bikes anyway, never mind owning them?
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 24, 2009, 11:36:09 AM »
Would I be showing my ignorance of US culture if I wondered what the hell kids under 12 were doing riding around on motor bikes anyway, never mind owning them?

I once again am humbled by my ignorance of what it was like to grow up in a place that wasn't a major urban area.

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« Reply #6 on: Feb 25, 2009, 05:57:24 AM »
Would I be showing my ignorance of US culture if I wondered what the hell kids under 12 were doing riding around on motor bikes anyway, never mind owning them?

In rural areas tons of kids ride minibikes, small motocross bikes, and this also includes go-carts.
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 25, 2009, 07:17:44 AM »
Would I be showing my ignorance of US culture if I wondered what the hell kids under 12 were doing riding around on motor bikes anyway, never mind owning them?

In rural areas tons of kids ride minibikes, small motocross bikes, and this also includes go-carts.

So, injury from motor accident is not considered a sufficient hazard, but lead poisoning from chewing the battery terminals is?
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« Reply #8 on: Feb 25, 2009, 07:57:53 AM »
Would I be showing my ignorance of US culture if I wondered what the hell kids under 12 were doing riding around on motor bikes anyway, never mind owning them?
I got my first motorcycle when I was 7.
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« Reply #9 on: Feb 25, 2009, 08:18:44 AM »
Would I be showing my ignorance of US culture if I wondered what the hell kids under 12 were doing riding around on motor bikes anyway, never mind owning them?
I got my first motorcycle when I was 7.

Is this a form of natural selection in the States, to weed out people at an early age who are not naturally suited to living in a place where motor travel is considered as essential as breathing and eating?
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« Reply #10 on: Feb 25, 2009, 08:25:56 AM »
I was 5 when I got my first minibike. It was made by Arctic-Cat.
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« Reply #11 on: Feb 25, 2009, 08:51:23 AM »
Would I be showing my ignorance of US culture if I wondered what the hell kids under 12 were doing riding around on motor bikes anyway, never mind owning them?
I got my first motorcycle when I was 7.

Is this a form of natural selection in the States, to weed out people at an early age who are not naturally suited to living in a place where motor travel is considered as essential as breathing and eating?

It was, but then they enacted helmet laws. :P

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« Reply #12 on: Feb 25, 2009, 08:52:01 AM »
Would I be showing my ignorance of US culture if I wondered what the hell kids under 12 were doing riding around on motor bikes anyway, never mind owning them?
I got my first motorcycle when I was 7.

Is this a form of natural selection in the States, to weed out people at an early age who are not naturally suited to living in a place where motor travel is considered as essential as breathing and eating?
I don't guess so.  I only know one person in my life that has died on a motorcycle.  He was an adult, was drinking and riding without a helmet.  Because of his example, I've never been on a bike without a helmet.

I grew up on them.  My father used to race motocross (way back in the late '60s)...and ride street bikes.  My 85 year old grandfather recently put a sidecar on his Harley because grandma can't straddle the bike anymore (she's got a bad hip).

Of course, I've heard this same argument about people in the south giving children guns.  I got my first shotgun when I was 11...and in my neighborhood that was considered late in life to get your first real gun.  Still, the only person I know who has been killed with a firearm shot himself in the head on purpose just last summer.
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« Reply #13 on: Feb 25, 2009, 09:28:59 AM »
The more I learn about rural life the less sense it makes to me for people in the government to try to enforce policies qually for both urban and rural areas.  The issues that face these places are just too different.   

You could simply not give guns and motor cycles to 11 kids in cities and expect good things to happen but if it works in rural areas, then let em.

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« Reply #14 on: Feb 25, 2009, 10:47:01 AM »
The more I learn about rural life the less sense it makes to me for people in the government to try to enforce policies qually for both urban and rural areas.  The issues that face these places are just too different.   

You could simply not give guns and motor cycles to 11 kids in cities and expect good things to happen but if it works in rural areas, then let em.

When I was little, there were tons of things that would be considered dangerous for children now. But what is really happening is the pussification of kids. You HAVE to expose your kids to things for them to grow up in a REAL WORLD.

Protection is a helmet and instruction. NOT taking them away!
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