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What is truth?
« on: Mar 07, 2009, 12:36:44 AM »
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Re: What is truth?
« Reply #1 on: Mar 07, 2009, 12:52:33 AM »
Truth is beauty, and therefore the world is a lie!!!
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Re: What is truth?
« Reply #2 on: Mar 07, 2009, 12:53:38 AM »
Truth is beauty, and therefore the world is a lie!!!
Truth can also be ugly, for instance, your girlfriend DOES look fat in those jeans.

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Re: What is truth?
« Reply #3 on: Mar 07, 2009, 01:44:35 AM »
Beauty is truth, truth beauty. That is all ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

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Re: What is truth?
« Reply #4 on: Mar 07, 2009, 05:55:50 AM »
Truth is repeatable.
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Re: What is truth?
« Reply #5 on: Mar 07, 2009, 07:10:30 AM »
Oh, that's a lot of handwashing answers !

Main thing is, truth has consequences, so I'll settle for Pierce's pragmatic version (not James, and not Dewey).

http://atheism.about.com/od/philosophyepistemology/a/Pragmatic.htm

Truth is ....... well ,,,,,,,,, what's true. Yeah! A nice way to confuse people is, give them Tarski's definition.

"The definition of True should be ‘formally correct’. This means that it should be a sentence of the form

For all x, True(x) if and only if φ(x),
 
where True never occurs in φ; or failing this, that the definition should be provably equivalent to a sentence of this form. The equivalence must be provable using axioms of the metalanguage that don't contain True. Definitions of the kind displayed above are usually called explicit, though Tarski in 1933 called them normal".

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/tarski-truth/



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Re: What is truth?
« Reply #6 on: Mar 07, 2009, 06:01:00 PM »
Truth is a statement which is in accordance with reality. Duh! :D
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Re: What is truth?
« Reply #7 on: Mar 07, 2009, 06:05:07 PM »
"True" is a world used to describe a statement when it is in accordance with objective reality.

Beauty is a response to a stimulus.  Beauty exists in the mind, not the object.  Why do some stimuli cause the experience of beauty?  Ah, there's the question.  I supose the answer lies in our evolutionary past, though I caren't to speculate specifically.


So you see, truth != beauty.

Why does poetry have to be correct?
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Re: What is truth?
« Reply #8 on: Mar 09, 2009, 05:35:39 AM »
As often happens when I am confronted with such puzzling philosophical questions, nay, conundrums, I consult the ultimate philosophical expert: Merriam Webster, and his pals Oxford and American Heritage.

Quote from: Mr. Oxford
truth |troōθ|
noun ( pl. truths |troōðz; troōθs|)
the quality or state of being true : he had to accept the truth of her accusation.
• (also the truth) that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality : tell me the truth | she found out the truth about him.
• a fact or belief that is accepted as true : the emergence of scientific truths | the fundamental truths about mankind.

Yeah, I think that pretty much covers it.  Next.

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Re: What is truth?
« Reply #9 on: Mar 09, 2009, 10:15:11 AM »
I didn't think you were supposed to use the word when defining it.
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Re: What is truth?
« Reply #10 on: Mar 09, 2009, 10:22:01 AM »
I didn't think you were supposed to use the word when defining it.

Yeah, exactly. You can't just say that "truth is that which is true"! That's a tautology. A high quality dictionary would have something like this:

Truth: That which is in accordance with reality.
Reality: That which is true.

See? Much better that way. ;)
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Re: What is truth?
« Reply #11 on: Mar 09, 2009, 10:30:34 AM »
I didn't think you were supposed to use the word when defining it.

Yeah, exactly. You can't just say that "truth is that which is true"! That's a tautology. A high quality dictionary would have something like this:

Truth: That which is in accordance with reality.
Reality: That which is true.

See? Much better that way. ;)

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Re: What is truth?
« Reply #12 on: Mar 09, 2009, 10:52:52 AM »
Well, there's truth tables ,,,,,   

after introducing them - in The Tractatus - then right at the end Wittgenstein says:

"6.52 We feel that even when all possible scientific questions have been
answered, the problems of life remain completely untouched. Of course there
are then no questions left, and this itself is the answer".

Yeah!

http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext04/tloph10.txt

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Re: What is truth?
« Reply #13 on: Mar 09, 2009, 01:55:18 PM »
I didn't think you were supposed to use the word when defining it.

Yeah, exactly. You can't just say that "truth is that which is true"! That's a tautology. A high quality dictionary would have something like this:

Truth: That which is in accordance with reality.
Reality: That which is true.

See? Much better that way. ;)

How about,

Truth: That which is in accordance with reality.
Reality: That which actually exists.

But then is there a way to define existance without using the words "reality" or "truth" or "exist?"

Is our universe just one big tautology!?
Na, our language is just limited.

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Re: What is truth?
« Reply #14 on: Mar 09, 2009, 02:19:51 PM »
We do not know what the truth is.
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