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Amazing Pictures, Pollution in China
« on: November 20, 2009, 08:35:35 PM »
Sad what we humans can do to such a lovely planet.

http://www.chinahush.com/2009/10/21/amazing-pictures-pollution-in-china/
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Re: Amazing Pictures, Pollution in China
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2009, 10:19:36 PM »
Wow.
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Re: Amazing Pictures, Pollution in China
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2009, 11:38:53 PM »
That's profoundly disturbing.
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Re: Amazing Pictures, Pollution in China
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2009, 11:47:49 PM »
Aaaaand a large portion of that goes towards providing the US with cheap consumer goods...
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Re: Amazing Pictures, Pollution in China
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2009, 02:26:02 AM »
That's pretty fucked.
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Re: Amazing Pictures, Pollution in China
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2009, 03:01:43 AM »
Whoa, whoa!  That may be disgusting use of land, but let's not get on a high horse here.  After all we've taken our fair share of shits out back - though at least we have the good decency to bury our filth.
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Re: Amazing Pictures, Pollution in China
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2009, 03:10:36 AM »
Whoa, whoa!  That may be disgusting use of land, but let's not get on a high horse here.  After all we've taken our fair share of shits out back - though at least we have the good decency to bury our filth.


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Re: Amazing Pictures, Pollution in China
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2009, 12:03:51 PM »
Aaaaand a large portion of that goes towards providing the US with cheap consumer goods...

All that was there before we opened trade with China. In fact, China is cleaning up because of open trade. I think you need to look for someone else to blame, like maybe the Chinese for creating the mess.
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Re: Amazing Pictures, Pollution in China
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2009, 06:28:09 PM »
Whoa, whoa!  That may be disgusting use of land, but let's not get on a high horse here.  After all we've taken our fair share of shits out back - though at least we have the good decency to bury our filth.


Yea, love canal was shown not to have caused the cancers and health risks.  It was just a cluster of people that had health problems - it wasn't caused by living there.  There are areas in the US with problems.  But that wasnt' one of them.
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Re: Amazing Pictures, Pollution in China
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2009, 06:48:46 PM »
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Yea, toxic waste was shown not to have caused the cancers and health risks.  It was just a cluster of people that had health problems - it wasn't caused by living there [citation needed].

That's certainly a strange coincidence. Have any studies been conducted to determine what attracted these clusters of people prone to cancer and poor health to an area with 21,000 tons of toxic waste buried beneath? 

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Re: Amazing Pictures, Pollution in China
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2009, 06:54:54 PM »
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Yea, love canal was shown not to have caused the cancers and health risks.  It was just a cluster of people that had health problems - it wasn't caused by living there.

That's certainly a strange coincidence. Have any studies been conducted to determine what attracted these clusters of people prone to cancer and poor health to an area with 21,000 tons of toxic waste buried beneath?

I respond a lot better to a neutrally phrased question rather than dramatics and hyperbole.

Yes, studies have been done.  And just because some people who live in an area get cancer doesn't mean it was caused by the same thing.  And just because toxic waste is present in the vicinity doesn't mean it has escaped into the environment, and doesn't mean these people got cancer from it, and doesn't mean it is a death area. 
There will always illnesses clustered in an area.  Try flipping a cpin 1,000 times.  There will be times you get clusters of the same side in a row.  Highlight a small section of your results and you can show some surprising variations.

Besides, the thread was about pollution in China.  It would be nice to stick to the topic.
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Re: Amazing Pictures, Pollution in China
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2009, 06:58:18 PM »
In 1978, Lois Gibbs, a local mother and president of the Love Canal Homeowners' Association, began to investigate why there were many health problems in the area. Her son, Michael Gibbs, began attending school in September 1977. He developed epilepsy in December, suffered from asthma and a urinary tract infection, and had a low white blood cell count[16][17], all associated with his exposure to the leaking chemical waste. Gibbs later discovered that her neighborhood sat on top of 21,000 tons of buried chemical waste.[18]

In the following years, Gibbs led an effort to investigate community concerns about the health of its residents; she and other residents made repeated complaints of strange odors and "substances" that surfaced in their yards. In Gibbs' neighborhood, there was a high rate of unexplained illnesses, miscarriages, and mental retardation. [17] Furthermore, basements were often covered with a thick, black substance, and vegetation was also dying. In many yards, the only vegetation that grew were shrubby grasses. [19] Although city officials were asked to investigate the area, they did not act to solve the problem.

According to the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in 1979, residents exhibited a "disturbingly high rate of miscarriages...Love Canal can now be added to a growing list of environmental disasters involving toxics, ranging from industrial workers stricken by nervous disorders and cancers to the discovery of toxic materials in the milk of nursing mothers." In one case, two out of four children in a single Love Canal family had birth defects; one girl was born deaf with a cleft palate, an extra row of teeth, and slight retardation, and a boy was born with an eye defect.[20] A survey conducted by the Love Canal Homeowners Association found that 56% of the children born from 1974-1978 had a birth defect.[21]
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Re: Amazing Pictures, Pollution in China
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2009, 07:01:18 PM »
That's certainly a strange coincidence. Have any studies been conducted to determine what attracted these clusters of people prone to cancer and poor health to an area with 21,000 tons of toxic waste buried beneath?


The wording of that question is a bit strange.  If you have something (like illness) randomly distributed throughout a population, you'd expect clusters in places - no 'attraction' necessary.

I don't know about this case in particular, but it is statistically possible to get a cluster with no one cause.
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Re: Amazing Pictures, Pollution in China
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2009, 07:05:24 PM »
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The wording of that question is a bit strange.  If you have something (like illness) randomly distributed throughout a population, you'd expect clusters in places - no 'attraction' necessary.

So, you're telling me that toxic waste does not release pheromones that attract people of impaired genetic integrity, and that Love Canal was just a absurdly ironic anomaly?  That just doesn't add up...  I'm going to have to request you pull up some science that disproves this possibility.
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Re: Amazing Pictures, Pollution in China
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2009, 07:13:58 PM »
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The wording of that question is a bit strange.  If you have something (like illness) randomly distributed throughout a population, you'd expect clusters in places - no 'attraction' necessary.

So, you're telling me that toxic waste does not release pheromones that attract people of impaired genetic integrity, and that Love Canal was just a absurdly ironic anomaly?  That just doesn't add up...  I'm going to have to request you cite a scientific source proving this isn't the case.

Great job!  Give me one second to find an article to prove that negative for you...
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