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Re: Episode #268
« Reply #105 on: Sep 12, 2010, 08:13:31 PM »
Naw you just got cock on the brain
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Re: Episode #268
« Reply #106 on: Sep 13, 2010, 05:48:51 PM »
Naw you just got cock on the brain

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Re: Episode #268
« Reply #107 on: Sep 15, 2010, 02:47:42 PM »
To answer Jay's question about why people haven't built thorium reactors before now, there are a few reasons:

 - Cost.  Building a uranium reactor of known design is already very expensive (billions of dollars), and some of the proposed improvements on uranium technology (like gas-cooled pebble bed reactors or supercritical steam reactors) would cost tens of billions to develop.  The Liquid-Fluoride Thorium reactor would have challenges regarding new materials and on-line reprocessing, and so be even more expensive.
 - Politics.  There is NIMBY-ism, environmental concern, proliferation concern, and so on.  Even fairly sensible (technical) solutions like Yucca mountain are defeated by politics.
 - Short term thinking.  Like other breeder reactors, thorium can get 100x or more energy out of a certain amount of fuel, but it takes about 100x as long to do it.  Thorium and uranium breeders can support civilization for hundreds of millennia, but our outlook isn't that long.  The bigger benefit is that it produces 100x less nuclear waste, which may win the day.
 - Cheap fuel.  The price of uranium mining and enrichment is low enough that we can afford to waste 99% of it by using a non-breeder reactor.
 - American and Soviet weapons.  It's true what Steve said, people in the 1950s realized the benefit of thorium for power generation, but it was more important to make lots of warheads, so they pursued uranium reactors instead.
 - Non-American weapons.  Proposed designs require fuel reprocessing, which has proliferation concerns.  It's harder to make weapons from U-233 (the fissile output of a thorium breeder) than U-235 or Pu-239, but not impossible.  Also, any radioactive material can be used to make a dirty bomb.
 - Competitors.  There are other interesting proposals, like the uranium-burning Traveling Wave breeder supported by Bill Gates, that show promise, but also face many of the same roadblocks.  Of course, the major competitor isn't nuclear at all.  The fossil-fuel lobby is powerful, and it doesn't want to be put out of business.

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Re: Episode #268
« Reply #108 on: Sep 15, 2010, 10:15:57 PM »
So global warming is caused by humans and human activity?

Interesting!

So SGU crew how do you plan to get to Oz?  How does Ms. Watson get back and forth from the UK to the US? Sail boat? skateboard?

The ultimate arguement against the idea that humans cause global warming is that advocates continue to enjoy all the advantages of the high tech 21st century lifestyle, that is supposedly destroying the world.
After all if you clearly do not take your own position seriously why should anyone else?

So are you saying they don't really believe in global warming, they are just pretending to? Why are they doing this, are they on some pay check, are they part of the conspiracy to create a world government with the lizard men or who every it is. I don't understand this argument all. Why is it that all of the global warming denying crap never says anything substantial about the science, it is always point scoring crap, like they just want to win the argument by any means. It always sounds like the same crap evolution deniers come up with, "if people evolved from apes why are there still apes alive".

There is a strong correlation between how much money people spend, how much energy they consume and therefore how much carbon dioxide they produce. For someone like Al Gore, he is rich, it doesn't matter how he spend his money he is going to have a large carbon footprint, if he gave his money away the people he gave the money to would increase there carbon footprint, if you want to judge people on how much carbon dioxide they produce you should average it over how much money they spend.

To reduce carbon dioxide output we have to change the way we produce energy. Changing our light bulbs means we have smaller electricity bills and can spend our money somewhere else increasing our carbon dioxide output there. That doesn't mean all green tech is a wast of time, for example electrics cars may depend on electricity from coal stations, but they are freed up to get their electricity from other source making it easier to change the energy source as technology changes, there may be other issue with electric cars, I not trying advocate them here.

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Re: Episode #268
« Reply #109 on: Sep 17, 2010, 07:26:17 PM »
It sounds more like he's calling them hypocrites. AFAIK they've never advocated giving up a normal 21th century lifestyle to reduce your contribution to CO2, so that doesn't follow.