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Re: Episode #242
« Reply #60 on: March 08, 2010, 09:35:49 PM »
Thank you. I'll be here all week!
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Re: Episode #242
« Reply #61 on: March 09, 2010, 04:18:58 AM »
Can I just say I love this place?

Also, WTN = Illawarra Drop Bear.  The whine gives it away.
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Re: Episode #242
« Reply #62 on: March 09, 2010, 06:44:52 AM »
:downsrim:

Haha, looking over the smiley list I see there's more Something Awful overlap than I thought.
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Re: Episode #242
« Reply #63 on: March 09, 2010, 05:16:30 PM »
The fact that the Chilean earthquake changed the length of the day is a consequence of  the law of conservation of angular momentum.  All of the forces were internal to Earth.  As a result, Earth's angular momentum was unchanged.

Angular momentum for a rotating body equals its spin rate times the body's moment of inertia about the spin axis.  Each little bit of Earth has a moment of inertia equal to its mass times its distance from the spin axis SQUARED.  It is this distance squared effect that made the movements of the earthquake have a surprising influence on the length of the day.

During the earthquake, part of the dense ocean floor dove under the continental plate and pushed the less dense Andes mountains up by several feet.  In other words, the denser ocean rock got closer to Earth's spin axis and the lighter continental rock got further away.  This decreased Earth's moment of inertia.  Since angular momentum remained constant, the spin rate increased and the day shortened a bit.

There are 86,400 seconds in a day.  A 1.26 millionths of a second change in the length of the day represents a change in spin rate of one part in 68.6 billion.  This is also the proportion of the change in Earth's moment of inertia.  As mentioned before, moment of inertia is related to mass times distance from the spin axis SQUARED.  This means that the mean distance of Earth's mass from its spin axis only had to change by one part in 4.7 billion trillion to make the length of the day change by 1.26 millionths of a second.
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Re: Episode #242
« Reply #64 on: March 09, 2010, 09:53:01 PM »
Yeah yeah yeah.... I find it more interesting that the fraking cities moved eight feet in one direction than the day shortening by 1 second.
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Re: Episode #242
« Reply #65 on: March 10, 2010, 01:15:23 PM »
WTN: Bull Elk


Yep, it's an Elk. I think I read somewhere (but can't confirm) that elk calls were used for the Ringwraiths in Peter Jackson's LoTR films.

I found where I read about the Elk Calls, and I was WRONG!

http://www.kropserkel.com/blackriders.htm

Sorry 'bout that. :)
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Re: Episode #242
« Reply #66 on: March 10, 2010, 05:04:47 PM »
Loved the out-take right at the end of the episode, that should really become a regular feature :)
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Re: Episode #242
« Reply #67 on: March 10, 2010, 05:13:20 PM »
Loved the out-take right at the end of the episode, that should really become a regular feature :)

It's a cunning trick to get people to listen through the closing credits instead of clicking "stop" as soon as the main bit ends. I wonder how many out-takes I've missed that way.
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Re: Episode #242
« Reply #68 on: March 10, 2010, 05:35:16 PM »
Loved the out-take right at the end of the episode, that should really become a regular feature :)

Yeah... A blooper reel, nice.
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Re: Episode #242-WTN
« Reply #69 on: March 11, 2010, 10:59:36 AM »
First time posting here to the Forums, I enjoy the show and I enjoyed this episode.
Not sure if anyone has given the right answer yet to Who's that noisy.
WTN: A Bull Elk bugle is what it sounds like.

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Re: Episode #242
« Reply #70 on: March 11, 2010, 11:05:03 AM »
Well little late on wtn but better late than never. Welcome to the forums! You ever read atlas shrugged?
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Re: Episode #242
« Reply #71 on: March 11, 2010, 09:35:09 PM »
wnn; giraffe
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Re: Episode #242
« Reply #72 on: March 11, 2010, 09:42:12 PM »
The length of the day is getting longer by 14 microseconds each year, so the 1.26 microsecond shortening is not really going to effect us much. The lengthening of the day is caused by the moon robbing kinetic energy through tidal forces. As the moon robs this energy, it increases its distance from the earth.
GPS satellites are calibrated from ground stations, so ultimately the GPS system is giving you your position relative to a fixed ground reference.
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Re: Episode #242
« Reply #73 on: March 28, 2010, 08:51:12 AM »
Hi

I have to defend the honor of the NT News (Northern Territory)! Having the opportunity to read it once in a month (one I pass through Darwin or some friend pick it up for me) I really enjoy reading it! It's a "fantastic" news paper. What about this title? "Fisho's miracle survival" traduction: Miracle Fisherman's survival, an article about a poor fisherman surviving a crocodile attack (March 27th). Or "Croc Sharks In". I need help translating it, but the article is about a crocodile trying to get on a shark recently caught by other fishermans (January 29th).

Ok, it's a "yellow" newspaper. And it can be put in the same line as The National Inquirer, The Star, or Cronica (from Argentina), but it surprised me with some editorial line that's science base and very close to facts based news. The reports on global warming and the effects on NT makes sense (meaning not contrarian), they have a huge (in their standards) section last year for Darwin's 150 and 200 yrs; and in an article about "Do the Outback believe in UFO?" was very science based. Basically the conclusion is that most of the people here is very separated, and the incidence on UFO sightings has much more to do in the particular landscape of NT: flat, long horizons, huge climatic developments (storms, lightnings, etc)

Inclusive when a very saddly incident last year (a young little girl eaten by a crocodile whlist swimming in a pond) behind the "bombing" first page was very sensitive: in regards of the poor family but supporting the fact that NT's people has learnt to live in harmony with an increasing population of crocodiles, almost force to extinction.

It's not the New York Times, but much better than other newspapers.

And always you can find in a important section an article about the newest lady in town that you can watch in bikini in the hottest bar! (the last I remember was a brazilian girl, evidently that she lost her compass somewhere...)

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Re: Episode #242
« Reply #74 on: June 14, 2010, 10:01:59 AM »
Newbie, here.  (I'm a big SGU fan -- I've listened to all episodes from #1 through #242, plus the uncut bonus stuff -- but haven't paid much attention to the forums.  Regular posting to Skeptoid's Skeptalk e-mail list is about all I make time for these days.)

Just some comments on Steve et al.'s discussion of Joe's e-mail about personality tests, which interested me because I have some background in personality research and psychometrics (via my graduate work, consulting projects, and professional interactions).  I don't think anything they said was blatantly wrong, insofar as they made any specific claims, but they may have overlooked some key distinctions and missed opportunities to point out relevant science (perhaps due to lack of time or motivation).

1. TEST PURPOSE: It's probably best to evaluate the quality of an instrument (e.g., test, questionnaire, survey) with reference to its specific intended use.  That is, instead of concluding that a given test is good or bad in general -- or assessing how good it is in general -- we'd often be better off assessing its psychometric properties when it's used to accomplish specific aims (e.g., selection/hiring/admission, diagnosis, certification, career guidance, self-improvement, personal growth, recreation) for particular populations of people.  A given test could be great for one use (e.g., highly reliable, precise, valid, factorially invariant, "fair," etc.) but poor for another.  So, for instance, Steve referred to the MMPI as the "real" personality inventory, but that was developed more for diagnosing maladaptive traits (e.g., psychopathology) at clinical levels, which may not be relevant to the context in which Joe was taking a personality test (e.g., training or development for subclinical employees).  This relates to Steve's comment that the use of certain personality tests "significantly oversimplifies the process": What is this process, exactly?

2. TEST LENGTH: Steve seemed to suggest that longer tests are better (e.g., 200 items is "just not enough").  That's not necessarily true: How many items is enough depends on a lot of things, including what the test is used for (see #1) and properties of the items.  Sure, all else being equal longer tests tend to have a smaller standard error of measurement (i.e., greater precision) for estimating an examinee's "true" score, and they tend to sample the relevant domain (e.g., indicators of a particular personality trait) more thoroughly.  But there are some unstated assumptions and other practical issues to consider.  For example, items can be viewed as having certain properties, such as difficulty, discrimination, and dimensionality, which also influence the test's quality.  It's possible to have, say, a 10-item test of some specific trait that's better than a 20-item test of the same trait, provided that the shorter test's items are better.  Item response theory (IRT), in fact, is often used to design maximally reliable tests for particular purposes with as few items as feasible (e.g., the GRE, MCAT, and LSAT -- especially those components that are computer-adaptive).  There are also practical issues to consider, such as that generating more and more items for a test -- a task usually done by humans -- may be challenging and result in poorer items (e.g., less relevant to the target trait), and some examinees may react negatively to longer tests (e.g., careless responding, acquiescence, fatigue).

3. PSYCHOMETRIC QUALITY: Psychometricians and their kin (e.g., survey statisticians) use formal criteria and techniques to evaluate a test's quality.  Steve et al. seemed to focus on what might be called "face validity" -- basically, whether the test seems to measure what it purports to measure, judging from the apparent content of its items.  Although that's not irrelevant, it's a pretty weak approach to evaluating a test.  Items that seem reasonable can perform poorly in formal evaluations, or vice versa; of course, this depends a lot on the expertise of the person making the judgments, but folks who aren't experts in psychometrics or the domain being measured can easily make bad judgments.  To be clear, I'm not defending the Enneagram or MBTI here; I don't know enough about research on them.  I'm just saying it's unwise to evaluate a test on face validity alone.  Other criteria include various types of reliability (e.g., internal consistency, iter-rater, test-retest), validity (e.g., predictive, concurrent, discriminant, convergent, content), and so on.

4. FORCED-CHOICE ITEMS: One of Steve's criticisms of the Enneagram's items seemed to be that they use a forced-choice response format and are factorially complex (i.e., measure more than 1 variable).  It's not obvious to me that these are as problematic as he seemed to think.  I'm sure there's research on the pros and cons of forced-choice items, and this is one of many points where commenting on that research could've been informative.  Similarly, just because an item's content covers more than one dimension (i.e., "loads" on more than one "factor") doesn't mean the item's necessarily worthless, though probably this isn't ideal and should be avoided when feasible.

5. PSYCHOMETRIC RESEARCH: Anyone interested in the science of measuring personality for various purposes might look into the massive research literature.  Believe it or not, some serious scientists work in this area.  Besides various relevant professional organizations (e.g., American Psychological Association -- especially Divisions 5, 8, and 14) and scholarly journals (e.g., Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, Journal of Research in Personality), there are countless Web resources.  Of course, it's hard to judge these resources' scientific credibility; here's one that I'm pretty sure could be considered fairly authoritative:

  www.personality-project.org


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