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Re: Episode #262
« Reply #15 on: Jul 24, 2010, 04:56:37 PM »
WTN: Damn! I knew it was Bertrand Russell with that posh accent! I got to it too late.

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Re: Episode #262
« Reply #16 on: Jul 24, 2010, 05:31:56 PM »
"Porker?" - ahahahaha, awesome Bob!
"Oh wow... you heil your fuhrer with that mouth?"
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We appear to be at a bit of an impasse."
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Re: Episode #262
« Reply #17 on: Jul 24, 2010, 05:37:52 PM »
I'm a bit confused by Bob saying something like "Wouldn't it be cool if an electron had a field like a bar magnet?" ... Isn't that what it already has? In fact, isn't it a necessary characteristic of any charged particle with spin that it has a magnetic field? I know it's hard to imagine a point particle spinning, but that's quantum mechanics for you.
Do people who say "First World Problems" really think the only concern of people in developing countries is where the next bowl of rice is coming from?

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Re: Episode #262
« Reply #18 on: Jul 24, 2010, 05:40:58 PM »
I'm a bit confused by Bob saying something like "Wouldn't it be cool if an electron had a field like a bar magnet?" ... Isn't that what it already has? In fact, isn't it a necessary characteristic of any charged particle with spin that it has a magnetic field? I know it's hard to imagine a point particle spinning, but that's quantum mechanics for you.


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Re: Episode #262
« Reply #19 on: Jul 24, 2010, 05:51:50 PM »
WTN: Winston Churchill

Never was someone so wrong, in front of so many, with so little to go on.

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Re: Episode #262
« Reply #20 on: Jul 24, 2010, 06:01:02 PM »
WINSTON CHURC-

awww man, someone already guessed it......  :'(
"Oh wow... you heil your fuhrer with that mouth?"
- Teethering

"I just asked my cat, and she agrees with me.
We appear to be at a bit of an impasse."
-Black Magic

"Math is hard - guess i'd better martyr myself"
-Jihad Barbie, aka Pandamonium

"Clean your room.......Slowly."
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Re: Episode #262
« Reply #21 on: Jul 24, 2010, 06:47:04 PM »
I'm a bit confused by Bob saying something like "Wouldn't it be cool if an electron had a field like a bar magnet?" ... Isn't that what it already has? In fact, isn't it a necessary characteristic of any charged particle with spin that it has a magnetic field? I know it's hard to imagine a point particle spinning, but that's quantum mechanics for you.

The magnetic field of an electron would be similar to that of a normal magnet. The quantum mechanical spin creates a magnetic field. All the field lines will curl back, none will continue into infinity. Usually you need moving charges for magnetism to arise. Typically, the electric field of an electron would be pictured as a bunch of evenly distributed arrows pointing from infinity straight into the electron. If the electron actually does have an electric dipole moment, then when you look really closely at the electric field it should be slightly curved, but it will probably only be noticeable at a very small scale. I don't think it would completely close back on itself like a magnetic field would. If I remember Maxwell's equations correctly, you need a changing magnetic field to create an electric field like that. None of the field lines will close back on themselves, and some will go into infinity. I'm not sure what Bob meant. The electric field of an electric dipole does look a lot like a magnetic field if you are close enough, even if there are some crucial differences in their overall shape.

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Re: Episode #262
« Reply #22 on: Jul 25, 2010, 02:22:53 AM »
Can someone tell me the name of the monkeys in the pants. I've tried to replay the part, but I can't get it.


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Re: Episode #262
« Reply #23 on: Jul 25, 2010, 03:21:57 AM »
Can someone tell me the name of the monkeys in the pants. I've tried to replay the part, but I can't get it.


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Re: Episode #262
« Reply #24 on: Jul 25, 2010, 03:46:14 AM »
Thank you. I better not say what Titi can mean in German  ;)

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Re: Episode #262
« Reply #25 on: Jul 25, 2010, 03:55:43 AM »
Thank you. I better not say what Titi can mean in German  ;)

Yeah, please spare us.

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Re: Episode #262
« Reply #26 on: Jul 25, 2010, 04:10:03 AM »
Okay.

A rather juvenile term for female breasts.

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Re: Episode #262
« Reply #27 on: Jul 25, 2010, 04:52:54 AM »
Okay.

A rather juvenile term for female breasts.

Same as in English, then.
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Re: Episode #262
« Reply #28 on: Jul 25, 2010, 04:58:08 AM »
I'm a bit confused by Bob saying something like "Wouldn't it be cool if an electron had a field like a bar magnet?" ... Isn't that what it already has? In fact, isn't it a necessary characteristic of any charged particle with spin that it has a magnetic field? I know it's hard to imagine a point particle spinning, but that's quantum mechanics for you.
The magnetic field of an electron would be similar to that of a normal magnet. The quantum mechanical spin creates a magnetic field. All the field lines will curl back, none will continue into infinity. Usually you need moving charges for magnetism to arise. Typically, the electric field of an electron would be pictured as a bunch of evenly distributed arrows pointing from infinity straight into the electron. If the electron actually does have an electric dipole moment, then when you look really closely at the electric field it should be slightly curved, but it will probably only be noticeable at a very small scale. I don't think it would completely close back on itself like a magnetic field would. If I remember Maxwell's equations correctly, you need a changing magnetic field to create an electric field like that. None of the field lines will close back on themselves, and some will go into infinity. I'm not sure what Bob meant. The electric field of an electric dipole does look a lot like a magnetic field if you are close enough, even if there are some crucial differences in their overall shape.

Presumably the electron's magnetic field must project some distance into space in order for it to react with an externally-applied field (Electron Spin Resonance etc.) ... so I would have expected some of the field to go out to infinity, just like any other magnet, although this field diminishes by an inverse cube law and so gets very small very quickly.

Then I thought about this ... the inverse cube law calculation contains the distance between the poles as a parameter. If the electron is a point particle then the distance between then poles is zero, which means no external magnetic field ... so how does it work? I suspect quantum weirdness again.
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Re: Episode #262
« Reply #29 on: Jul 25, 2010, 06:47:12 AM »
There is a geological structure somewhere in the US Southwest named after breasts in Spanish or something.