Topic: The Avengers movie

[Ravenhull]

Yeah, that was hilarious.

Back to the silly '78 Avengers trailer, what is the 'Ironman' stuff from?  Was there an attempt in the 70's to do a live action him, or was that something completely different, but conveniently appros.

[Neon Genesis]

wouldn't hulk vs superman make more sense?

batman -- gets killed instantly. Flash...gets killed as soon as he superman throws something faster than he can run. superman needs less of a puny human rival.

Not if Batman has Kryptonite Batrangs.   

[Moloch]

wouldn't hulk vs superman make more sense?

batman -- gets killed instantly. Flash...gets killed as soon as he superman throws something faster than he can run. superman needs less of a puny human rival.

As mentioned previously, Batman vs Superman happened, and Batman won.

Read more here: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=topxx&id=5&pg=1

[GodSlayer]

Not if Batman has Kryptonite Batrangs.   

doesn't he feel ill around Kryptonite? why not just fly away and then figure out who was after him, and burn them from a distance with laser eyes?

[GodSlayer]

wouldn't hulk vs superman make more sense?

batman -- gets killed instantly. Flash...gets killed as soon as he superman throws something faster than he can run. superman needs less of a puny human rival.

As mentioned previously, Batman vs Superman happened, and Batman won.

Read more here: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=topxx&id=5&pg=1

or, if you write it so that superman, aware of his one weakness, and of his foe's finances (hasn't he faced rich people who have kryptonite before?!), wears armour, just as Batman does. then the arrow idea fails, and from a safe distance superman basically does the brazen bull on batman and he either dies in his own armour or the armour melts right onto him and kills him.

p.s.,
Batman delivers a chilling statement – "…I want…you to remember…the one man who beat you."

would that one man be the Green Arrow?

[David E.]

wouldn't hulk vs superman make more sense?

batman -- gets killed instantly. Flash...gets killed as soon as he superman throws something faster than he can run. superman needs less of a puny human rival.

As mentioned previously, Batman vs Superman happened, and Batman won.

Read more here: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=topxx&id=5&pg=1

or, if you write it so that superman, aware of his one weakness, and of his foe's finances (hasn't he faced rich people who have kryptonite before?!), wears armour, just as Batman does. then the arrow idea fails, and from a safe distance superman basically does the brazen bull on batman and he either dies in his own armour or the armour melts right onto him and kills him.

p.s.,
Batman delivers a chilling statement – "…I want…you to remember…the one man who beat you."

would that one man be the Green Arrow?

No because Batman planned it all.

[GodSlayer]

wouldn't hulk vs superman make more sense?

batman -- gets killed instantly. Flash...gets killed as soon as he superman throws something faster than he can run. superman needs less of a puny human rival.

As mentioned previously, Batman vs Superman happened, and Batman won.

Read more here: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=topxx&id=5&pg=1

or, if you write it so that superman, aware of his one weakness, and of his foe's finances (hasn't he faced rich people who have kryptonite before?!), wears armour, just as Batman does. then the arrow idea fails, and from a safe distance superman basically does the brazen bull on batman and he either dies in his own armour or the armour melts right onto him and kills him.

p.s.,
Batman delivers a chilling statement – "…I want…you to remember…the one man who beat you."

would that one man be the Green Arrow?

No because Batman planned it all.

in the scenario linked, they didn't actually fight, and neither actually lost.

[Moloch]

in the scenario linked, they didn't actually fight, and neither actually lost.

What the heck did you read? Batman plans and executes a strategy that ends with a weakened (able to be killed) Superman in his grasp. Superman is clearly defeated.

"I want you to remember…my hand…at your throat…I want…you to remember…the one man who beat you."

Superman isn't exactly in a position to deny that statement... because he's been defeated. As mentioned later the "heart attack" was planned also, if Batman had wished he could have finished Superman off right there.

[GodSlayer]

in the scenario linked, they didn't actually fight, and neither actually lost.

What the heck did you read? Batman plans and executes a strategy that ends with a weakened (able to be killed) Superman in his grasp. Superman is clearly defeated.

As mentioned later the "heart attack" was planned also, if Batman had wished he could have finished Superman off right there.

but then he does the villain-talk-until-good-guy-gets-upper-hand move, has a fake heart-attack, and fake dies, as though the fight with Superman killed him, but Superman knows he's still alive, and lets him live as though he knew all along the fight was just an act, that he wasn't very close to actually being killed by Batman at all.

"I want you to remember…my hand…at your throat…I want…you to remember…the one man who beat you."

Superman isn't exactly in a position to deny that statement... because he's been defeated.

he looked defeated, just like Batman looked dead...it was an act. if either actually wanted the other person dead they could have killed them.

[Moloch]

he looked defeated, just like Batman looked dead...it was an act. if either actually wanted the other person dead they could have killed them.

Except the author explicitly states that Batman faked his death, while your assertion that Superman was doing likewise is a figment of your imagination. This is a fictional story, all we have to go on is what is actually written, thought experiments are fun but pointless. Someone was authorized by DC to write Batman vs Superman and in the established canon of that series (the only series where the two have fought), Batman won.

[GodSlayer]

he looked defeated, just like Batman looked dead...it was an act. if either actually wanted the other person dead they could have killed them.

Except the author explicitly states that Batman faked his death, while your assertion that Superman was doing likewise is a figment of your imagination.

superman faked his death? quote where I said that so I can explain your misunderstanding.

established canon of that series

which is irrelevant as that the Christian says Satan can't beat God.

[Caffiene]

he looked defeated, just like Batman looked dead

Except the author explicitly states that Batman faked his death, while your assertion that Superman was doing likewise is a figment of your imagination.

superman faked his death? quote where I said that so I can explain your misunderstanding.

You stated that batman looking dead was "just like" superman looking defeated. Moloch used the same wording - "likewise". If the wording is incorrect, it was your own error.

[Vincegamer]

It's a common tool in combat fiction for one party to "win" by simply getting into the position where he could kill the other but not doing so.
That counts as defeating the other though you don't have to actually kill your opponent.
Heck, that's the entire theme of the Jet Li movie "Fearless".

So Batman defeated Superman. He had him and could have killed him.  The fact that he did not in no way takes away from his victory.

And one thing that article had slightly wrong was that Green Arrow did not shoot Superman with a kryptonite arrow.  He shot AT Superman (from behind while Superman was both kicking ass and getting his ass kicked), but Superman caught the arrow mid-air, not realizing it had kryptonite in it til he was holding it.
(the article also did not mention that the comic implies that Superman tore off Green Arrow's right arm at some point prior to the story of the comic)

[EhJayArr]

Just got back from seeing it.  The scene with Hulk and Loki stole the ENTIRE show.

I laughed LOUDLY at that scene.

[MikeHz]

You've all just about convinced me to see a movie I otherwise would have no interest whatsoever in seeing.