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Episode #309
« on: Jun 18, 2011, 09:55:29 AM »
This Day in Skepticism
News Items: Two New Elements, The Decline Effect, Zicam Inventor Arrested, Lasers from Human Cells, Mood Ears
Who's That Noisy
Your Questions and E-mails: The Enemy Within
Science or Fiction
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Re: Episode #309
« Reply #1 on: Jun 18, 2011, 10:59:19 AM »
As usual, great podcast.  The bit where you guys were giving Bob crap about the laser was hilarious.


WTN:  Sounds like an RC vehicle of some kind.

Question:  I'm wondering if researchers can design initial studies in order to combat the decline effect.  But then, if you can do that, isn't there a danger of having studies come up negative when there actually is an effect?


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Re: Episode #309: Enemy Within...
« Reply #2 on: Jun 18, 2011, 11:09:41 AM »
Ahoy,

I've often been derided as being 'superstitious' for refusing to walk under ladders.
I have to explain that my reluctance has nothing to do with any superstition about walking under ladders being 'unlucky', it's just I don't want any butter-fingered work-person dropping anything on my head.

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Re: Episode #309
« Reply #3 on: Jun 18, 2011, 11:18:53 AM »
WTN: Rebecca having sex

Re superstition: When I hear of a cat that has died or sufffered an accident, I feel the urge to go check out my cat to see if he's okay.
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Re: Episode #309
« Reply #4 on: Jun 18, 2011, 11:27:40 AM »
Thanks for the podcast!

Just found wifi it's been along time since I had two sgus to go through.
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Re: Episode #309
« Reply #5 on: Jun 18, 2011, 12:23:34 PM »
WTN: creaking rocks  ???

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Re: Episode #309
« Reply #6 on: Jun 18, 2011, 12:45:04 PM »
The Science or Fiction reveal link displays all three as "science". Sneaky!

I thought it was no. 2, same as the guys, so Rebecca beat me as well.
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Re: Episode #309
« Reply #7 on: Jun 18, 2011, 02:20:30 PM »
WTF was up with Evan's comment about Jimmy Carter hating jews  ???

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Re: Episode #309
« Reply #8 on: Jun 18, 2011, 07:07:28 PM »
I have to admit I was surprised about the 'what's it good for' discussion about new elements.  Just like a lot of big science the end goal is not to produce an application, but to understand the very nature of our subatomic structure during the process, it's not a 'race for fame' for creating elements. 

Regarding science commercialisation, I have several new species of marine invertebrates discovered during the course of my work.  One is the single most common large animal (>1 mm) in an inlet occurring at densities of greater than  6000 per sq. metre, yet I have been unable to find basic biodiversity funding to describe even one (it takes abou $3k - 8$ to do the necessary work).  I've approached commercial entities to give them naming rights (unsuccessfully) just so the work gets done. I've named species before, the actual name is the least important part of the process. Many people don't realise the extremely shaky foundation and few backs that fundamental ecology rests upon. There is a world-wide shortage of well-trained taxonomists.

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Re: Episode #309
« Reply #9 on: Jun 18, 2011, 08:01:21 PM »
WTF was up with Evan's comment about Jimmy Carter hating jews  ???

President Carter is anti-semitic. Read  Carter’s 2006 book Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid,
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Re: Episode #309
« Reply #10 on: Jun 18, 2011, 08:03:43 PM »
Re who's that noisy: I thought after the mourning beaver you said you wouldn't have anything so distressing on again, but this is obviously the sound of a TARDIS that's just lost its Time Lord. :(

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Re: Episode #309
« Reply #11 on: Jun 18, 2011, 10:53:45 PM »
WTN: Air being squeaked out of a balloon?
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Re: Episode #309
« Reply #12 on: Jun 19, 2011, 02:02:04 AM »
WTF was up with Evan's comment about Jimmy Carter hating jews  ???

President Carter is anti-semitic. Read  Carter’s 2006 book Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid,

Yes, because you cannot criticise the Israeli government without also hating Jews. Don't be rediculous.

Good ep btw, totally blindsided by the Science or Fiction this week, oh and WTN sounds like a broken tape machine I once owned (not for long).
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Re: Episode #309
« Reply #13 on: Jun 19, 2011, 05:50:43 AM »
Touching wood can be little different from things like always putting the left shoe on first, and dismissing personal habits as "just OCD" isn't helpful.

We just don't think about every step of a habitual action, since it would be a waste of energy, and the human mind easily takes a bunch of movements and encodes them as a single action (analogous to a compter macro).

The origin of the habit may be superstition, shared culture, imitation or just personal practice, but it does not necessarily suggest any kind of belief.  Of course, some people have superstitions more or less forward in the active mind, but even with these people something like touching wood is probably an ingrained habit rather than a conscious thought each time.

The habit may also have been filtered so that it is different from the original form - knocking your head as wood is an ironic version you've chosen, which may in fact reinforce the behaviour more strongly as "part of you".

The word "ritual" may be useful shorthand, but does have belief-related connotations.

I don't claim this as a scientific judgement, but I work on the assumption that we're all on the OCD spectrum;  it's just that most of us are so far down to one end that we have few problems with it.  Where exactly do you draw the line between "funny little habits" and a clinical condition?

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Re: Episode #309
« Reply #14 on: Jun 19, 2011, 06:08:26 AM »
Where it begins to interfere with your daily life.
“You couldn't be here if stars hadn't exploded... So forget Jesus. The stars died so that you could be here today.”

Lawrence Krauss

"Whiplash, heavy metal laxative"

Misheard KISS song lyrics

"I tawt I taw a Balwog! I did! I did tee a Balwog!"

 

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