Author Topic: End of Space Shuttle program  (Read 2151 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Online Chew

  • Poster of Extraordinary Magnitude
  • **********
  • Posts: 10364
  • Let's gut it!
Re: End of Space Shuttle program
« Reply #60 on: Jul 25, 2011, 11:10:27 AM »
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/07/the_space_shuttle_gets_a_reaso.php


argument from blogthaurity?


No, statistics comparing shuttle promises to actual performance.  The program never came close to being what it was intended to be: a cheap, reliable space payload carrier.


Can you really put a price tag on cool?


$450 million/mission X 135.


That's the slacker hanging out at the mall answer.

Did you also think the Apollo program was not worth the money? We could have built unmanned probes to collect and return Moon rocks and core samples.
"It is difficult to say what truth is, but sometimes it is easy to recognize falsehood." -Albert Einstein

Offline Nacreous

  • Stopped Going Outside
  • *******
  • Posts: 5720
  • Gosh! These whirlpools are terrible...
Re: End of Space Shuttle program
« Reply #61 on: Jul 25, 2011, 11:38:45 AM »
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/07/the_space_shuttle_gets_a_reaso.php


argument from blogthaurity?


No, statistics comparing shuttle promises to actual performance.  The program never came close to being what it was intended to be: a cheap, reliable space payload carrier.


Can you really put a price tag on cool?


$450 million/mission X 135.


That's the slacker hanging out at the mall answer.

Did you also think the Apollo program was not worth the money? We could have built unmanned probes to collect and return Moon rocks and core samples.


I do think the Apollo program was not worth the money.  We haven't been back because scientifically it wasn't necessary and was horrendously expensive for the results returned.  It was done mostly for Cold War propaganda points. 

...and I hang out at the roller rink, thank you very much!  :argh:
"The future has been here for awhile; it's just not available to everyone."
-some guy at MIT

Offline T.A.P.O.R.

  • Stopped Going Outside
  • *******
  • Posts: 4253
Re: End of Space Shuttle program
« Reply #62 on: Jul 25, 2011, 05:38:54 PM »
The Apollo program employed more than 400k people.
It wasn't a waste, it stimulated the economy!

OK the shuttle didn't work out the way it was supposed to(a flight every two weeks?), a real shame, but they learned a lot about re-useable space craft. And it looked so bad-ass.

Offline On Fire For Christ

  • Not Enough Spare Time
  • **
  • Posts: 218
    • Scienced based faith
Re: End of Space Shuttle program
« Reply #63 on: Jul 25, 2011, 08:20:38 PM »
interesting how I blog about the space shuttle then 3 days later PZ meyers blogs essentially the same damn thing only abbreviated.  Get your own material meyers.
MY BLOG:  http://sciencebasedfaith.blogspot.com/ 
***new article.  "The end of the space shuttle AKA the "flying deathtrap""

MY TWITTER:  @Faith_Science

Offline T.A.P.O.R.

  • Stopped Going Outside
  • *******
  • Posts: 4253
Re: End of Space Shuttle program
« Reply #64 on: Jul 25, 2011, 08:25:22 PM »
In truth, I love Apollo more that Space shuttle.
But rockets are awesome. No doubt about it.

Online Chew

  • Poster of Extraordinary Magnitude
  • **********
  • Posts: 10364
  • Let's gut it!
"It is difficult to say what truth is, but sometimes it is easy to recognize falsehood." -Albert Einstein

Offline Shibboleth

  • Stopped Going Outside
  • *******
  • Posts: 5243
Re: End of Space Shuttle program
« Reply #66 on: Aug 24, 2011, 11:01:01 AM »
Holy crap the last shuttle mission crashed?

All joking aside this really sucks, especially if you are on the ISS. We got no food, no jobs... our PETS' HEADS ARE FALLING OFF!
common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.

Offline skeptember_morn

  • Off to a Start
  • *
  • Posts: 45
  • People should envy us. I envy us.
Re: End of Space Shuttle program
« Reply #67 on: Aug 25, 2011, 05:14:35 PM »
While my nerdy side likes manned spaceflight, my skeptical side knows the shuttle program is a hideous example of bad decision making.  It was a huge drain on scientific research funding with nothing to show for it.  Hubble you say?  How many Hubbles could we have had for the same money?  The failures of the shuttle just can't be justified.

Online drwfishesman

  • Well Established
  • *****
  • Posts: 1482
  • Forum Necromancer
Re: End of Space Shuttle program
« Reply #68 on: Aug 25, 2011, 08:42:48 PM »
While my nerdy side likes manned spaceflight, my skeptical side knows the shuttle program is a hideous example of bad decision making.  It was a huge drain on scientific research funding with nothing to show for it.  Hubble you say?  How many Hubbles could we have had for the same money?  The failures of the shuttle just can't be justified.

Yeah...we know that NOW, but when the U.S. started the Shuttle Program in the late 60's we didn't know all that. Anytime you do something cutting edge, you are only an expert AFTER you do it. I think a lot of folks are judging the Shuttle Program based on information that we learned from having a freaking space shuttle.
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals". Kay, from Men in Black

Offline Shibboleth

  • Stopped Going Outside
  • *******
  • Posts: 5243
Re: End of Space Shuttle program
« Reply #69 on: Aug 25, 2011, 09:45:07 PM »
The mechanical arm and the ability to really go out and fix things was a nice feature of the space shuttle. The first airplane was a hunk of junk but it was a place to start. Humanity learned a great many things from the space shuttle program.
common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.

Online Chew

  • Poster of Extraordinary Magnitude
  • **********
  • Posts: 10364
  • Let's gut it!
Re: End of Space Shuttle program
« Reply #70 on: Sep 13, 2011, 10:54:26 PM »
Russian Space Agency Sets Dates for Resuming Progress, Soyuz Launches

Quote
The Russia space agency has set dates for resuming flights with the Progress and Soyuz spacecraft. After determining the cause of the failure and crash of a Soyuz-U rocket carrying a Progress cargo ship bound for the International Space Station last month, Roscomos said they will be resuming flights soon, and the next Soyuz-U Progress launch will be on Sunday, October 30, 2011. β€œIt is planned to launch Progress cargo spaceships on October 30, 2011, and on January 26, 2012. Manned Soyuz-FG spaceships will be launched on November 12 and December 20, 2011,” the agency said on their website.
"It is difficult to say what truth is, but sometimes it is easy to recognize falsehood." -Albert Einstein

Offline Stargrave

  • Keeps Priorities Straight
  • ***
  • Posts: 286
  • "To the makers of music β€” all worlds, all times"
Re: End of Space Shuttle program
« Reply #71 on: Sep 14, 2011, 02:29:31 AM »
something i feel is being overlooked here is a lot of the factors that made the shuttle so absurdly expendsive are things that were forseen. the space shuttle as it was originally proposed was to be a part of a larger space transport system and was supposed to be the military and government's go to vehicle for launching anything and was supposed to pull something on the order of 20+ launches a year launching all kinds of space hardware. now clearly this didnt happen as the last mission was STS-135 and not STS-600. 20 launches a year makes a reusable vehicle very practical. pulling an average of 4 a year makes a reusable vehicle an expensive choice. these are things that were brought up even before the OV-101 Enterprise made its first flight because the DOD and other government agencies did not want to use the space shuttle. and its not like we're the only show in town, the russians have been flying soyuz capsules since before the shuttle was a twinkle in von braun's eye while smaller the disposable craft allow for an easier time refining the space craft over the decades and boast a mere $1500 a pound of payload to LEO vs the space shuttle's $9000 and because you're not servicing a reusable craft it doesnt mandate a frenetic schedule to make it cost effective and this is without even going into private space contractors who are dirt cheap in omparison.


also i have to say this because i feel like i will be seen as someone who hates the shuttle or something, i love the damn thing. i really do, i cant not love it. its the space craft that i grew up with and even just the white on black space plane asthetic is so completely iconic of exploration and human endeavor. the thing is its a little like seeing a sibling who is making very bad choices in their life, you love them you'll always love them no matter what they do and you'll always see the best in them. but if youre honest with yourself you know they can do better.
"jim, you proceed from a false assumption: i have no ego to bruise"

Online Chew

  • Poster of Extraordinary Magnitude
  • **********
  • Posts: 10364
  • Let's gut it!
Re: End of Space Shuttle program
« Reply #72 on: Apr 09, 2012, 01:30:39 PM »
Flying the Space Shuttles to their New Homes



Space Shuttle Era: Ferry Flights
« Last Edit: Apr 09, 2012, 01:32:44 PM by Chew »
"It is difficult to say what truth is, but sometimes it is easy to recognize falsehood." -Albert Einstein

Online Chew

  • Poster of Extraordinary Magnitude
  • **********
  • Posts: 10364
  • Let's gut it!
Re: End of Space Shuttle program
« Reply #73 on: Apr 16, 2012, 08:56:18 PM »
NASA - Shuttle Enterprise to Fly Over New York City Metro Area April 23

Entire article quoted:
Quote
WASHINGTON -- NASA's 747 Shuttle Carrier Aircraft (SCA) with space shuttle Enterprise mounted atop will fly at a relatively low altitude over various parts of the New York City metropolitan area on Monday, April 23.

The Federal Aviation Administration is coordinating the flight, which is scheduled to occur between 9:30 and 11:30 a.m. EDT.

The exact route and timing of the flight depend on weather and operational constraints, including the on-time delivery of space shuttle Discovery to the Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum Stephen F. Udvar-Hazy Center in Chantilly, Va., this week. If all goes as planned, the aircraft is expected to fly near a variety of landmarks in the metropolitan area, including the Statue of Liberty and the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum. When the flyover is complete, the SCA will land at John F. Kennedy International Airport.

During the weeks following the arrival, Enterprise will be "demated" from the 747 and placed on a barge that will be moved by tugboat up the Hudson River to the Intrepid museum in June. The shuttle will be lifted by crane and placed on the flight deck of the Intrepid, where it will be on exhibit to the public starting this summer in a temporary climate-controlled pavilion. The Intrepid continues to work on a permanent exhibit facility to showcase Enterprise that will enhance the museum's space-related exhibits and education curriculum.

If the flight is postponed for any reason, an additional notice will be released.

For more information about NASA's transfer of space shuttles to museums, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/transition
"It is difficult to say what truth is, but sometimes it is easy to recognize falsehood." -Albert Einstein

Online Chew

  • Poster of Extraordinary Magnitude
  • **********
  • Posts: 10364
  • Let's gut it!
Re: End of Space Shuttle program
« Reply #74 on: Apr 27, 2012, 04:29:22 PM »
Enterprise Space Shuttle Last Landing from Tarmac @ JFK
"It is difficult to say what truth is, but sometimes it is easy to recognize falsehood." -Albert Einstein

 

personate-rain