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Re: Episode #333
« Reply #30 on: Dec 05, 2011, 10:01:56 AM »
I didn't hear it but what can Phil do about it though? ::) trying to get a conspiracy monger to take on their own belief system is impossible.  Joe Rogan was only smart enough to the point of seeing the niche possibility in translating spirituality & conspiracies for the mma / monster energy drink community and is cashing some big checks because it plays huge into his likeability - it's all new to them.  He's the prophet.  Trust me, no body in those circles reads science blogs.  I can sympathize with Phil just (maybe) throwing his hands up because I got punched in the face for arguing supermoons do not cause earthquakes.  You have to be very brave to prove that person's ignorance.   ???  They relate well to Joe's aggressive filibusters.  A fighter's mentality.  Forgive the stereotyping but even their leader-in-reason doesn't listen.   

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« Reply #31 on: Dec 05, 2011, 10:45:42 AM »
i don't think all mma fans or fighters are as dumb as you paint them. i know rich franklin was a math teacher and if you listen to a lot of these guys they're not exactly mike tyson.

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Re: Episode #333
« Reply #32 on: Dec 05, 2011, 12:50:01 PM »
Yeah, I felt bad for painting w/ the broad brush but my personal experience has just been horrendous.

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Re: Episode #333
« Reply #33 on: Dec 05, 2011, 12:52:45 PM »
Rogan seems like a bunch of contradictions to me. I've heard him totally rail on homeopathy but yet he pushes those "brain drinks."
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Re: Episode #333
« Reply #34 on: Dec 05, 2011, 05:23:14 PM »
Looks like everyone can recognise Joe Rogan's voice, the obvious answer to WTN.  Some of his stand-up comedy is fairly funny...


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Re: Episode #333
« Reply #35 on: Dec 05, 2011, 05:25:49 PM »
Rogan seems like a bunch of contradictions to me. I've heard him totally rail on homeopathy but yet he pushes those "brain drinks."

wasn't Shermer once-upon-a-time a Christian and a cycling-quackery enthusiast?

Rogan might yet live curmudgeonly ever after as a skeptic if he doesn't isolate himself to lunatic echo chambers :)
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Re: Episode #333
« Reply #36 on: Dec 05, 2011, 11:58:36 PM »
Rebecca referred to the death of Mars Exploration Rover Spirit earlier this year as losing "the last one" as if Spirit's sister Opportunity is not currently still roving on the edge of Endeavour crater 8 years after landing and 30 kilometers of driving later.

Please give a shoutout to Opportunity - the oft forgetten survivor who has been overshadowed by the tragedy of her sister and the sex appeal of her successor.

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Re: Episode #333
« Reply #37 on: Dec 06, 2011, 12:15:27 AM »
i don't think all mma fans or fighters are as dumb as you paint them. i know rich franklin was a math teacher and if you listen to a lot of these guys they're not exactly mike tyson.
Actually, Mike Tyson came from a really, really rough childhood, having been literally picked up out of the juvenile detention system by Cus D'Amato, but as a kid at least he always struck me as pretty bright. He was always talking about the tape he watched in his post-match interviews and as long as Mike Jacobs was in his corner he boxed fairly intelligently as well (the classic bit was where Jacobs would yell out a number and Tyson would launch into the corresponding combo). As his career progressed, well... one of the things I like about boxing is that punishment reveals things about a person, and those things aren't always nice. Tyson learned he was a bit of a bully, found out he didn't like being hit nearly as much as he liked hitting, and really became a shell of his former self at the end. I don't find him a terribly likeable person but I've got to say, he's one of the most interesting boxers out there at least. And there are lots of interesting boxers out there.

Overall I guess my issue with MMA is that it's not international enough and to a point it feels more like a bunch of fine chaps in their Sunday bowlers stepping out onto the cricket yard while the real working class and, let's face it, sub-working class guys who go all out on the field because they've got nothing else to do with their lives play baseball. Boxing would be the baseball part of it. When MMA starts to attract those guys who emerge from the dredges of poverty in Tijuana and San Juan and Manila, I'll start taking it seriously. As of now, it seems less like a good idea for a sport than what boxing used to be before they stripped out all of the less competitive and boring bits.
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Re: Episode #333
« Reply #38 on: Dec 06, 2011, 12:15:55 AM »
dola,

WTN = Joe Rogan. WHAT DO I WIN??
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Re: Episode #333
« Reply #39 on: Dec 06, 2011, 12:36:01 AM »
i don't think all mma fans or fighters are as dumb as you paint them. i know rich franklin was a math teacher and if you listen to a lot of these guys they're not exactly mike tyson.
Actually, Mike Tyson came from a really, really rough childhood, having been literally picked up out of the juvenile detention system by Cus D'Amato, but as a kid at least he always struck me as pretty bright. He was always talking about the tape he watched in his post-match interviews and as long as Mike Jacobs was in his corner he boxed fairly intelligently as well (the classic bit was where Jacobs would yell out a number and Tyson would launch into the corresponding combo). As his career progressed, well... one of the things I like about boxing is that punishment reveals things about a person, and those things aren't always nice. Tyson learned he was a bit of a bully, found out he didn't like being hit nearly as much as he liked hitting, and really became a shell of his former self at the end. I don't find him a terribly likeable person but I've got to say, he's one of the most interesting boxers out there at least. And there are lots of interesting boxers out there.

Overall I guess my issue with MMA is that it's not international enough and to a point it feels more like a bunch of fine chaps in their Sunday bowlers stepping out onto the cricket yard while the real working class and, let's face it, sub-working class guys who go all out on the field because they've got nothing else to do with their lives play baseball. Boxing would be the baseball part of it. When MMA starts to attract those guys who emerge from the dredges of poverty in Tijuana and San Juan and Manila, I'll start taking it seriously. As of now, it seems less like a good idea for a sport than what boxing used to be before they stripped out all of the less competitive and boring bits.

I think mma is more interesting and a better test of fighting skills but that's a whole 'nother topic. Boxing is pretty much dead isn't it? 

Actually, I think the future is full contact jousting. Have you seen Knights of Mayhem? Now that's a sport.
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Re: Episode #333
« Reply #40 on: Dec 06, 2011, 02:34:21 PM »
I love MMA, it is my current Martial Art of choice, but MMA has nothing to do with Rogan's conspricy theory believes.

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Re: Episode #333
« Reply #41 on: Dec 06, 2011, 04:00:20 PM »
i don't think all mma fans or fighters are as dumb as you paint them. i know rich franklin was a math teacher and if you listen to a lot of these guys they're not exactly mike tyson.
Actually, Mike Tyson came from a really, really rough childhood, having been literally picked up out of the juvenile detention system by Cus D'Amato, but as a kid at least he always struck me as pretty bright. He was always talking about the tape he watched in his post-match interviews and as long as Mike Jacobs was in his corner he boxed fairly intelligently as well (the classic bit was where Jacobs would yell out a number and Tyson would launch into the corresponding combo). As his career progressed, well... one of the things I like about boxing is that punishment reveals things about a person, and those things aren't always nice. Tyson learned he was a bit of a bully, found out he didn't like being hit nearly as much as he liked hitting, and really became a shell of his former self at the end. I don't find him a terribly likeable person but I've got to say, he's one of the most interesting boxers out there at least. And there are lots of interesting boxers out there.

Overall I guess my issue with MMA is that it's not international enough and to a point it feels more like a bunch of fine chaps in their Sunday bowlers stepping out onto the cricket yard while the real working class and, let's face it, sub-working class guys who go all out on the field because they've got nothing else to do with their lives play baseball. Boxing would be the baseball part of it. When MMA starts to attract those guys who emerge from the dredges of poverty in Tijuana and San Juan and Manila, I'll start taking it seriously. As of now, it seems less like a good idea for a sport than what boxing used to be before they stripped out all of the less competitive and boring bits.

I think mma is more interesting and a better test of fighting skills but that's a whole 'nother topic. Boxing is pretty much dead isn't it?
The heavyweight division is kind of dead in the USA but there is a lot, lot more to boxing than the heavyweight division.
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Re: Episode #333
« Reply #42 on: Dec 06, 2011, 08:30:13 PM »
dola,

WTN = Joe Rogan. WHAT DO I WIN??

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Re: Episode #333
« Reply #43 on: Dec 08, 2011, 04:33:15 PM »
Please give a shoutout to Opportunity - the oft forgetten survivor who has been overshadowed by the tragedy of her sister and the sex appeal of her successor.

Indeed Opportunity is still going and that's beautiful. But I can't see using the word "tragedy" when referring to Spirit. Hers was a glorious mission. And even some of the failures led to scientific discovery. One of her wheels broke and had to be dragged around behind, which cut into the soil in a way that wouldn't have happened otherwise and lead to a discovery. I think we should reserve use of the word tragedy to the truly tragic, such as running out of cookies and ice cream and the stores are closed.   :P

As for Curiosity, I'll guess the reason for the rather long trip to Mars (as speculated on in this episode) was at least in part about getting there efficiently -> less weight taken up in fuel -> heavier payload delivered to the destination (all other things being equal). Yes, they could get there in half the time but that way some really nice instruments don't get to go.

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Re: Episode #333
« Reply #44 on: Dec 09, 2011, 10:24:18 AM »
I'm still confused; what was the reason for doubting that Christian intolerance against atheists was based on distrust?  That one seemed painfully obvious to me and the only reason I heard for doubting that article in the fact or fiction segment was that it was too harsh or something.