hard to talk about things with a vocabulary not befitting them.
there are two senses of subjective and objective--an epistemic and an ontological sense.
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I think that goes to the heart of the problem: our vocabulary lacks sufficiently descriptive, non-technical terms intelligible to the general public. Discussion of moral ontology & epistemology causes eyes to instantly glaze over, and did you see those pics of Kate Middleton in those tight orange pants?
So the water-cooler discussion is reduced to "them there moral values, are they OBjective or are they SUBjective?"
And we all know they can't possibly be subjective, because anarchy! human sacrifice! dogs living with cats! Therefore they must be objective...