Nope, now you're just expanding hedonism arbitrarily.
I was genuinely asking the question.
But I have to ask, expanding it arbitrarily from what? There hasnt been any dictionary definition discussed in this thread, and IMO the word isnt used frequently often enough to have a clear "common usage" definition. Im not convinced that is
a clear definition of hedonism (or, as I said in the previous post, a clear definition that is useful) unless you put arbitrary limits on it. You yourself on the first page were saying "well if we expand the definition..."
You say "it does have a real definition", but I have yet to see it. I looked up wikipedia and a number of online dictionaries and none of them gave a definition that was specific enough to discount any of the usages Ive seen in this thread, including the one I asked about above of the utilitarianism-style "greatest pleasure for everyone". They didnt mention valuing only your own pleasure, or other specifics that are relevant to the discussion.
For example: Is it "more" hedonistic to have extreme pleasure for a short time and then die, or to live for a long time with a moderate level of pleasure? This is very relevant to self-sacrifice - if you sacrifice yourself and gain high pleasure for the moments before death, the definition of hedonism gives us nothing to judge whether that is more or less hedonsitic than not sacrificing yourself so that you can gain different pleasures later. None of the definitions Ive seen give anywhere near enough detail to answer this question.
IMO, as I mentioned above, the more I look at it the more I think hedonism isnt sufficiently well defined to be able to discuss it on any meaningful level... unless we start adding our own arbitrary limits or definitions.