Correspondence with a member of the society.
Feb 28 (1 day ago)
By the way, did anyone get back to you about the year Dr. King was made Chaplain?
Feb 29 (1 day ago)
The year I think was in 1981?
Based on correspondence with the AFP&CC they don't have a chaplain
position other than a single national chaplain. The spokesperson said
the founder died and they did not have a record of chaplains other
than the last two who served. He stressed "We only appoint and utilize
one Chaplain." He also noted the founder had died several years ago
and institutional memory died with him. It is possible back in the
1980s there was a way to apply for a local chaplain position. I can't
find many people claiming a non-national chaplain position with the
AFP&CC other than the late Frank E.Stranges.
12:05 PM (23 hours ago)
Was that the information you were needing?
1:20 PM (21 hours ago)
I'm just trying to reconcile the claim by the AFP that they only use
one chaplain and the society's claim King was a chaplain for the AFP.
These two claims seem at odds unless:
1) the spokesperson was mistaken
2) policy had changed previous to this spokesperson joining the AFP
and they appointed regional chaplains below the national level
I'm assuming if King was appointed the national chaplain for the AFP
then the Aetherius Society would have specified this more impressive
title on its King biography page.
The AFP seems to have no where to apply for a chaplain position. Their
membership application seems to allow anyone who is a concerned
citizen to join for $36 (http://www.aphf.org/afpmem.html
) but there
appears to be no space on the application to register as a chaplain.
As well, they have, on their web site, no list of chaplains for the
AFP other than the national position. If this is an important position
within the AFP, it strikes me they would list regional chaplains so
people could make use of them in times of need.
Even the application form lists:
Who Makes Up our 100,000 Plus Members?
• Local Police
• Sheriffs and Deputy Sheriffs
• State Police and
• State Enforcement Officers
• Federal Agents, Federal Police Officers
• Security Officers
• Reserve Auxiliary Police
• Concerned Citizens
• Crime Watch Volunteers
• Supporters of the Second Amendment
But no reference to chaplains.
The King biography indicates the chaplain position was in "recognition
for his work". But If I can join an organization for $36 and then call
myself a chaplain it's not quite recognition for my work.
How does the society document this?
2:33 PM (20 hours ago)
I am aware of the current process of any citizen being able to have membership with the AFP for $36. This was certainly not the case with Dr. George King. As you were probably made aware, things/policies have changed since the 80's.
I personally have not spent many hours researching the Chaplain position, mainly because I took his word for it - I did not take Dr. George King to be a liar about such things, or an overstater. I have seen many pictures, awards, plaques, certificates over the past few years that have more than vivified his "worldly" achievements. Plus, I've read most of his major publications and they ring far too loud of truth (much of it coinciding and harmonizing with other metaphysical, religious and occult teachings) for any doubt to creep in my consciousness. But I will be honest with you and admit that at first, in my early months in The Aetherius Society, I did a lot scrutinizing, questioning (as opposed to asking questions), doubting, weighing, discriminating, and contemplation. A lot of my confirmations came mostly from an inner experience, an inner knowing and recognition, call it intuition or "gut" feeling, though it helps to gather the outer facts to give us somewhere to start our inner contemplations.
This is a little factoid that I came across in reference to the whole chaplain thing. It was published in the "Introduction To The Author" in Dr. King' book, "Visit to the Logos of Earth", pg. 15:
"In 1983 his name appeared in "Who's Who in American Law Enforcement," published by the American Police Academy, with full recognition of his title as Prince, for his work as adviser to American law enforcement agencies and the fact that he gave honors to certain distinguished police officers in an Order of Chivalry called the "Royal Knights of Justice," of which he was appointed as Deputy Grand Master. He was later appointed as an International Police Chaplain by the American Federation of Police."
Hope that helps.
I'd like to ask you a sincere question:
If Dr. King was indeed recognized by the AFP in the way he stated, would that change your opinion of his teachings and his life's service to the world?
Conversely, if the AFP did not recognize Dr. King in the way he stated, would that change your opinion of his teachings and service to the world?
6:15 PM (16 hours ago)
>I am aware of the current process of any citizen being able to have membership with the AFP for $36. This was certainly not the case with Dr. George King. As you were probably made aware, things/policies have changed since the 80's.
I suggest that as a possibility but I have no information that the AFP
had a kind of regional chaplain program in times past. Even if they
had such a position, was it an honor in recognition of one's work or
simply something one can apply for and receive after paying a fee and
checking a box saying "chaplain".
The AFP itself seems rather suspect. Does one really want to claim an
honor by this organization? One can find many instances of real law
enforcement agencies warning against donating to the AFP, calling it a
As well, Charity navigator gives the AFP its lowest ranking:http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=6610
> "In 1983 his name appeared in "Who's Who in American Law Enforcement,"
There are many Who's Who compilations out there. Some will simply list
you and whatever short bio you provide for a fee without any vetting.
Maybe Who's Who in American Law Enforcement has a rigorous vetting
process or maybe it just bought the AFP mailing list and then offered
to include a bio for a fee. I have no information either way.
> If Dr. King was indeed recognized by the AFP in the way he stated, would
> that change your opinion of his teachings and his life's service to the
Not as such. I have too many questions about the claims the society
makes about his alleged honors. Maybe this is a good time to ask you
about his doctorate. I can find no place on the Aetherius site where
they list where he got his doctorate. A doctorate from a state
accredited educational insinuation is indeed a high honor and seems
well worth listing along with Prize of Peace and Justice from The
International Union of Christian Chivalry etc. In the book A Brief
Guide to Secret Religions the author states King received his
doctorate from "...the International Theological Seminary of
California, a degree mill with no accreditation...http://books.google.ca/books?id=R_q2-Dbcf68C&pg=PA119&dq=Aetherius+king+doctor&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-itMT9zLJML30gGq8qjOAg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Aetherius%20king%20doctor&f=false
By accreditation I mean the state of California has accredited it to
1:27 AM (9 hours ago)
I'm sorry you are troubled with the claims about Dr. King's alleged honors. None of them were falsified, if that's what you are wondering, nor did Dr. King, or any of the Members lie about his recognition. If anything, they were understated. Though, his worldly accreditation was not by any means a way of judging his teachings. It was, I believe, a way for the outside way to see Dr. King as not some far-out "wacky" individual and that he was indeed a distinguished and honorable man, in many circles of life. Nevertheless, the true measure of this man was not his honors or awards by the APF or a seminary, the true measure of this man was the teachings that he brought through his yogic mediumship and the Cosmic Missions he devised in cooperation with the Cosmic Masters, using his own invented radionic apparatuses.
Perhaps the best proof for you, regarding his recognition, would be to take a look at the certificates, diplomas, brevets and medals first hand? Because as you are kind of pointing out, what does it matter if he or anyone else in the Society wrote it? You are more than welcome to come to our Headquarters here in Los Angeles where most of all his possessions are still kept safely. I would be more than happy to give you a tour of the grounds, show you some of our archives, introduce you to his wife and the current International Directors who spent decades working by the side of Dr. King. I believe you would get a better feel and understanding of George King, the man and the Master, and The Aetherius Society, if you go to the source, as they say.
8:49 AM (2 hours ago)
>I'm sorry you are troubled with the claims about Dr. King's alleged honors. None of them were falsified, if that's what you are wondering,
Not falsified but they appear to be either meaningless (a knighthood
awarded by a convicted fraudster) or not what the common person would
assume (a doctorate awarded via a state accredited school with a known
and difficult curriculum vs a diploma mill). When a man or a society
seems, in my opinion, to misrepresent basic accomplishments, it is
natural to be skeptical of all claims.
> Nevertheless, the true measure of this man was not his honors or awards by
> the APF or a seminary, the true measure of this man was the teachings that
> he brought through his yogic mediumship and the Cosmic Missions he devised
> in cooperation with the Cosmic Masters, using his own invented radionic
Radionics itself is a field rife with hucksters peddling entirely
bogus medical devices:http://www.skepdic.com/radionics.htmlhttp://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/News/rife.html
The society claims King was a world renowned expert in the field of
) but provides no
evidence to support that claim. I could claim to be a world renowned
expert in radionics too. How do we decide who is telling the truth?
> Perhaps the best proof for you, regarding his recognition, would be to take
> a look at the certificates, diplomas, brevets and medals first hand?
I could, technically, but I've made a very earnest attempt to verify
such claimed honors online and each honor has rung hollow. Is this a
profitable use of my time? It's like saying "I keep trying to get
Online Book Company to deliver a book but each time I order a book it
never arrives. I'm suspecting Online Book Company is misrepresenting
itself and does not offer what it claims it offers. I could go down to
their warehouse in Seattle and see for myself they have a warehouse
and are expediting books. Maybe I'm just the unlucky one who has had 5
non-deliveries in a row. But my time is limited and there are so many
other companies offering me online books. I'll simply try one of
I hope this has not soured you on responding to the blog posts. When I
do a google search on "Aetherius" I can see my blog post comes up on
the first page (via google.com, via non-personal results). Many people
searching for more information about your society will see
unchallenged critical claims. As I note in the first post:
||My own bias had me imagining someone not unlike Mork & Mindy‘s
Exidor. (Exidor, like so many UFO contactees of the 1950s, was hung up
on the notion of Venusian saviors.)
Jaggard turned out not to be
A Guy in a dirty cassock. Jaggard, one of
the founding members of the Toronto Aetherius Society, was an
extremely dapper man in his mid-fifties. Jaggard wore a nicely
tailored dark suit, blue shirt, and a perfectly coordinated tie. Your
classic Harry Rosen man. George Hrab could take sartorial lessons from
him. His public persona was as polished and pleasing as his dress. The
talk ran about 3 hours with a short break. If this had been a
university night course, it would have been agony but Jaggard was such
an engaging speaker one barely noticed the passage of time.||
||I came to the talk hoping to point out to Jaggard we’ve actually
been to Mars and Venus with landers and found conditions quite
inhospitable to humanoid life. It was naive of me to think Jaggard had
never heard of this objection before. ||
As you can see, I admit a couple biases I had up front before the talk
and was delighted that they were challenged and I learned something. I
have no doubt my two lengthy blog posts have many other assumptions
and biases that have escaped my notice because, after all, I'm human.
Science tries to eliminate this via peer review. Scientists tend to be
very close to their own work and simply honestly miss thing.
Scientists value and appreciate such peer review that teases out their