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Re: Episode #343
« Reply #15 on: Feb 12, 2012, 12:11:48 PM »
Nice work, Trinoc.

Why didn't I just google "victoria beckham" "mick jagger" "david paterson"? All the links on the first page of results are to Kabbalah.  Obvious in hindsight.

Thanks. I'm afraid this was an all-Google solution (except that I recognised Jagger's voice). I left it a day thinking surely someone else would get it, but apparently not. Unless the answer was sent in first by email, that is.

Edit: Or of course my answer could be wrong, but if it is then we have the interesting situation of a perfectly plausible accidental, second skeptical answer.
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Do people who say "First World Problems" really think the only concern of people in developing countries is where the next bowl of rice is coming from?

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Re: Episode #343
« Reply #16 on: Feb 12, 2012, 12:44:19 PM »
The rogues missed out probably the most important thing that a 3D printer could do .. make components for another 3D printer!

OK, you'd need to buy some off-the-shelf electronics (maybe an open source embedded processor like an Arduino or a Raspberry Pi) and stepper motors, but the basic mechanics should all be printable.

The London Hackspace folks have built at least one 3D printer (probably more by now, it's a couple of years since I went there) using their own equipment such as a laser cutter. It may well be that they have built one that can reproduce copies of itself by now.
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Re: Episode #343
« Reply #17 on: Feb 12, 2012, 01:52:51 PM »
3D printers have been around since the late 70's/early 80's. I used to work for a large computer graphics company and they tried to acquire the manufacturer of the system. The generic term for this type of technology is stereolithography. The system used a liquid polymer which solidified.

Oh, never mind, they are just covering this in the podcast. I can add that the system sold for hundreds of thousands of dollars at the time.

I've used the technology to make prototypes. It's fairly costly on a per piece basic, the materials you can use are limited, and they are slow compared to volume production methods like injection molding. But you can make a really nice prototype and make sure everything fits together and take it to a trade show or focus group much quicker than using tooled parts. Tooling cycles used to be 6 months plus for the parts we were making.

The reason it's called additive is because it is the opposite of milling, which is subtractive. Semiconductors and MEMS are made using both additive (deposition) and subtractive (etching) processes.

I don't think we'll ever see a machine that can spit out an iPhone. It would even be difficult to use it to manufacture replacement parts as was suggested because the materials that can be used are limited. I'm not sure how the stereolyth materials match commonly used materials like ABS nowadays. Maybe they do, I haven't kept up with the field.

The Maker stuff is pretty cool.
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Re: Episode #343
« Reply #18 on: Feb 12, 2012, 06:05:08 PM »
Is it wrong that I use the preferred pronunciation of Oregon because I know it'll annoy the hell out of Oregon residents? Then I don't want to be right! Mwa ha ha

Next up: Neh-vah-duh.  >:D
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Re: Episode #343
« Reply #19 on: Feb 12, 2012, 06:57:49 PM »
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Re: Episode #343
« Reply #20 on: Feb 12, 2012, 07:01:16 PM »
I will super over pronounce your name from now on Rebecca, observe:

Reaieghbeaehikchah

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Re: Episode #343
« Reply #21 on: Feb 12, 2012, 08:47:37 PM »
It would even be difficult to use it to manufacture replacement parts as was suggested because the materials that can be used are limited. I'm not sure how the stereolyth materials match commonly used materials like ABS nowadays. Maybe they do, I haven't kept up with the field.

That was the glaring problem I saw as well.
You’re not going to be duplicating the mechanical properties of “replacement parts” that you print off which really limits the prints to being largely aesthetic rather then something functional.

Also in regards to copyright and 3D printing, its already becoming a slight issue.
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Re: Episode #343
« Reply #22 on: Feb 13, 2012, 12:20:12 AM »
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Re: Episode #343
« Reply #23 on: Feb 13, 2012, 12:23:15 AM »
Re dogs and pointing, Wolves don't respond to point commands.

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Re: Episode #343
« Reply #24 on: Feb 13, 2012, 01:50:28 AM »
It would even be difficult to use it to manufacture replacement parts as was suggested because the materials that can be used are limited. I'm not sure how the stereolyth materials match commonly used materials like ABS nowadays. Maybe they do, I haven't kept up with the field.

That was the glaring problem I saw as well.
You’re not going to be duplicating the mechanical properties of “replacement parts” that you print off which really limits the prints to being largely aesthetic rather then something functional.

Also in regards to copyright and 3D printing, its already becoming a slight issue.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/01/25/filesharing-website-pirate-website_n_1231061.html


 :P I was going to post about that. The whole legal sidepoint made me think of TPB and their "Physibles".

While I think Rebecca has a point about open source, but for market penetration I think we would need something such as Steve spoke of, although I think this is a long way off because of perceive copyright dangers (I mean we barely have digital distribution even though it was viable much earlier on) so I don't think in 10-20 years there will be significant market penetration.
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Re: Episode #343
« Reply #25 on: Feb 13, 2012, 12:23:37 PM »
I will super over pronounce your name from now on Rebecca, observe:

Reaieghbeaehikchah

I'll have you know that is the preferred pronunciation of my peoples.
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Re: Episode #343
« Reply #26 on: Feb 13, 2012, 01:14:45 PM »
Rebecca, have you ever considered updating your signature?
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Re: Episode #343
« Reply #27 on: Feb 13, 2012, 03:04:47 PM »
Is the dogs and pointing science or fiction item something new?  I heard this before.   I think it was on Nova Science Now.

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Re: Episode #343
« Reply #28 on: Feb 13, 2012, 03:39:52 PM »
This isn't relevant to this specific episode, but I want to thank y'all for keeping the episodes just shy of 80 minutes. You probably do this so that people can burn them to audio CDs, and even though I don't do that, I think it's wonderful that you've considered your listeners like that. Cheers! :)
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Re: Episode #343
« Reply #29 on: Feb 13, 2012, 04:06:11 PM »
As a person about to become an elementary school teacher in Indiana I was somewhat encouraged to hear that Indiana has pretty good standards for science.  Although there is a small group of idiots who are trying to ruin that with a new state law that would allow school districts to elect to teach religious alternatives to evolution in science class.  It's expected to fail but it's really annoying that it was introduced at all.

I think a bigger issue is making sure that teachers know how to teach science well.  By far the most common methods are to make children memorize facts and make non-scientific models (i.e. a baking soda volcano) or have them play with items related to science topics and call it "hands-on learning".  Personally I love hands-on learning but there is no guarantee that children are really learning when playing with magnets.  I asked my teacher and classmates in my alternate licensing masters program how can we ensure that students are learning while they have fun, and not just having fun.  The silence was deafening.  The big problem is that you can't teach what you don't know, and my college level introductory courses in math and science make me head and shoulders above the average elementary teacher.

 

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