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Re: Military Pokes Holes In Acupuncture Skeptics' Theory
« Reply #15 on: Feb 19, 2012, 11:22:08 PM »
Your health has no effect on me unless I have to pay for it, which as someone who is insured, I do for the freeloaders. So I don't care about mandatory health insurance

Thank you.

You're welcome. I've changed my mind on the subject.

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« Reply #16 on: Feb 20, 2012, 01:26:06 AM »
How, exactly, would your insurance premiums be paying for "freeloaders" who have absolutely no hope of obtaining the services which are available to you?

I have been denied coverage due to a pre-existing condition. Does that make me a freeloader?

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Re: Military Pokes Holes In Acupuncture Skeptics' Theory
« Reply #17 on: Feb 20, 2012, 08:18:37 AM »
How, exactly, would your insurance premiums be paying for "freeloaders" who have absolutely no hope of obtaining the services which are available to you?

I have been denied coverage due to a pre-existing condition. Does that make me a freeloader?

I believe you're in the minority of uninsured, but won't "Obamacare" get rid of denying insurance because of pre-existing conditions?
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« Reply #18 on: Feb 20, 2012, 12:30:20 PM »
So what about the rest of the uninsured? The Republicans seem to have this fantasy that there are lots of people out there who could have insurance if they wanted it, but are selfishly spending their vast amounts of disposable income on HDTVs and boats and cars. That is not the reality that I've been observing.

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Re: Military Pokes Holes In Acupuncture Skeptics' Theory
« Reply #19 on: Feb 20, 2012, 04:40:31 PM »
So mandatory fire insurance (not to mention mandatory police insurance and mandatory roads getting pave insurance) is good, but mandatory health insurance is bad.
Unless you're in Tennessee.  Then socialized fire fighting is evil and you just stand by while you let a man's house burn down.

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Re: Military Pokes Holes In Acupuncture Skeptics' Theory
« Reply #20 on: Feb 20, 2012, 05:18:41 PM »
So mandatory fire insurance (not to mention mandatory police insurance and mandatory roads getting pave insurance) is good, but mandatory health insurance is bad.
Unless you're in Tennessee.  Then socialized fire fighting is evil and you just stand by while you let a man's house burn down.

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Re: Military Pokes Holes In Acupuncture Skeptics' Theory
« Reply #21 on: Feb 20, 2012, 07:25:50 PM »
I seem to recall reading that dry needling can have an effect on localised pain, but acupuncture and dry needling are not the same thing.

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Re: Military Pokes Holes In Acupuncture Skeptics' Theory
« Reply #22 on: Feb 21, 2012, 12:12:00 AM »
How, exactly, would your insurance premiums be paying for "freeloaders" who have absolutely no hope of obtaining the services which are available to you?

I have been denied coverage due to a pre-existing condition. Does that make me a freeloader?

I think you are missing my point. It's not a value judgment, just math. When more people become insured, there will be fewer uninsured. That's one of the goals of Obamacare. The more people that have to buy insurance, the lower the cost. I have Kaiser and pay $440 per month. If Obamacare cuts that in half by sharing the pain, I'm good with it. I don't see a downside for me and if it works for you it's a win. It's not a political issue for me anymore.

And i do believe the prior condition provision has kicked in already or will soon.
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Re: Military Pokes Holes In Acupuncture Skeptics' Theory
« Reply #23 on: Feb 21, 2012, 12:14:27 AM »
How, exactly, would your insurance premiums be paying for "freeloaders" who have absolutely no hope of obtaining the services which are available to you?

I have been denied coverage due to a pre-existing condition. Does that make me a freeloader?

I think you are missing my point. It's not a value judgment, just math. When more people become insured, there will be fewer uninsured. That's one of the goals of Obamacare. The more people that have to buy insurance, the lower the cost. I have Kaiser and pay $440 per month. If Obamacare cuts that in half by sharing the pain, I'm good with it. I don't see a downside for me and if it works for you it's a win. It's not a political issue for me anymore.

And i do believe the prior condition provision has kicked in already or will soon.

*choke*splutter*cough* $440 a month!!?? Is that the normal cost for health insurance over there or do you have some advanced coverage ?

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Re: Military Pokes Holes In Acupuncture Skeptics' Theory
« Reply #24 on: Feb 21, 2012, 12:17:31 AM »
How, exactly, would your insurance premiums be paying for "freeloaders" who have absolutely no hope of obtaining the services which are available to you?

I have been denied coverage due to a pre-existing condition. Does that make me a freeloader?

I think you are missing my point. It's not a value judgment, just math. When more people become insured, there will be fewer uninsured. That's one of the goals of Obamacare. The more people that have to buy insurance, the lower the cost. I have Kaiser and pay $440 per month. If Obamacare cuts that in half by sharing the pain, I'm good with it. I don't see a downside for me and if it works for you it's a win. It's not a political issue for me anymore.

And i do believe the prior condition provision has kicked in already or will soon.

Dang, I need to look into that. It would be a pleasure to go back to Kaiser Permanente, who turned me down previously, and have them be forced to accept me.

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Re: Military Pokes Holes In Acupuncture Skeptics' Theory
« Reply #25 on: Feb 21, 2012, 01:45:33 AM »
How, exactly, would your insurance premiums be paying for "freeloaders" who have absolutely no hope of obtaining the services which are available to you?

I have been denied coverage due to a pre-existing condition. Does that make me a freeloader?

I think you are missing my point. It's not a value judgment, just math. When more people become insured, there will be fewer uninsured. That's one of the goals of Obamacare. The more people that have to buy insurance, the lower the cost. I have Kaiser and pay $440 per month. If Obamacare cuts that in half by sharing the pain, I'm good with it. I don't see a downside for me and if it works for you it's a win. It's not a political issue for me anymore.

And i do believe the prior condition provision has kicked in already or will soon.

*choke*splutter*cough* $440 a month!!?? Is that the normal cost for health insurance over there or do you have some advanced coverage ?

Dude - I'm 56, single, and in good health. That is what a cheap HMO plan costs. No frills.

Before my wife died, I had blue shield PPO because my wife wanted to keep her doctor. The plan was 800 bucks when we got into it in 2004. By the time she died last summer, it was $3300 per month. I had no option but to pay it. Her cancer related expenses over 6 years were well over $500K in insurance payments to doctors, hospitals, and drugs.

FYI - i shopped around quite a bit for health insurance and expected costs for a given plan can have a pretty wide range. I have the spreadsheets to prove it.

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Re: Military Pokes Holes In Acupuncture Skeptics' Theory
« Reply #26 on: Feb 21, 2012, 01:54:50 AM »
Wow. I have a decent level of coverage and my premium is a quarter of that  :-\ No wonder everyone is complaining about the state of healthcare in the US.

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Re: Military Pokes Holes In Acupuncture Skeptics' Theory
« Reply #27 on: Feb 21, 2012, 02:11:53 AM »
Wow. I have a decent level of coverage and my premium is a quarter of that  :-\ No wonder everyone is complaining about the state of healthcare in the US.

Not everyone is complaining. The Tea Party and the Republicans seem to like things just fine the way they are.

 

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