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"real milk comes from cows"
« on: February 19, 2012, 08:23:03 PM »
Has anyone seen the new Dairy campaign "Real milk comes from cows"? Seems rather than promoting milk on its own merits as they used to the new tactic is to attack the growing competitors, plant-based milk. I found it actually kinda childish as far as what they were criticizing (but yes i understand that the anti-dairy propaganda is usually no better and even worse).
here is quick post I wrote about the campaign, I found it ironic that both sides seem to now be using scaremongering of unfamiliar ingredients (chemophobia).

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There is a new campaign from The California Milk Processor Board designed to scare consumers aware from plant-based milks by letting them know that "Real Milk Comes From Cows" and that inferior "imitations" are filled with scary ingredients such as guar gum, carrageenan, xanthan gum, carob bean gum, and zinc gluconate. Vegan were outraged by the campaign and alternative health promoters chimed in as well. Andy Bellatti¹ for his part wrote a decent response posted on Grist labeling the campaign a "smear tactic". The irony is that such scaremongering over ingredients with unfamiliar names is nothing new to vegans or eco and alternative health blogs including Grist. Many seem happy enough to use the same scare tactics when it fits their own purposes.



As part of the campaign the Got Milk homepage features a game of find-the-"real"-milk in which visitors are presented with five unlabeled bottles of milky liquids and asked to find the single bottle of cows milk among them. The non-dairy milks include coconut milk, which is criticized as being "spooky" for looking too real, and almond milk which conversely is criticized for its "funky color". When it comes to looks I guess there is just no winning. To be fair the bottle of hazelnut milk does look a bit odd, though it should be noted that hazelnut milk isn't a particularly widespread plant milk anyways and separation is a natural occurrence for a number of food products, hardly a reason to say "yikes". If visitors skip over the bottle of real cow's milk and click on the last bottle, which is soy milk,  they are presented with the message "This came from a cow? Please." Well I'm not sure anyone thought it did to begin with but whatever. Most vegans have heard the "soybeans don't have nipples" quip many times and this latest iteration of this pathetic argument from the dairy industry may be flashier but is still certainly not all that clever. The very premise of the campaign is false in that not only do other mammals give "real milk" but the term "milk" can also correctly refer to various liquids with a milky appearance. Terms like "flesh" and "meat" are other examples of words hijacked and monopolized by our carnist culture as well.

As visitors click on each bottle they flip around to reveal an ingredient list with a number of items highlighted in red including guar gum, carrageenan, xanthan gum, carob bean gum, and zinc gluconate. This look to be little more than a mild case of chemophobia. While there may be some legitimate concerns about carrageenan at high doses, the general safety of both carrageenan and guar gum have been fairly well established despite fears expressed by some vegan bloggers and alternative health promoters. Fears and misconceptions regarding xanthan gum have also been expressed and quickly shot down in the vegan blogosphere. As for zinc gluconate, aside from it being sold as a dietary supplement, I can't find any legitimate health concerns associated with it,  not even on the fringe. Why The California Milk Processor Board felt the need to highlight "zinc gluconate" in red is beyond me. It should probably also be noted that the bottle of real cow's milk pictured was not milk fresh from the cow, rather it was homogenized, pasteurized, fortified, skim milk. Wait till the raw milk advocates chime in with their ideas of what "real milk" is.

Once they have completed this game, visitors are treated to three commercials. The first one titled "History" features three cavemen sipping (apparently homogenized) cow's milk from stone cups while chatting in perfect English sentences while a fourth caveman inquires in a more stereotypical broken manner as to what they are drinking and his attention is directed to a nearby modern domestic cow (don't get me started). Obviously still not understanding, the least articulate caveman identified as Gary asks, "I get milk from rock?...How about nut-thing?" I guess Gary is just too stupid to know that "real milk comes from cows" and "just cows", never nuts. The next commercial titled "Board" mockingly presents the ridiculous idea that non-dairy milks are a wasteful corporate conspiracy with no real purpose, never mind the deep cultural history that various plant milks have. While often presented as another modern examples of the degradation of "real food", various plant-based milks have long histories of human use and have been cultural staples. Soy milk as many will recognize has a logn history of use in East Asia. Almond milk has deep roots as well and was in common use in medieval Europe and the Middle East. Rice-based horchata may also be familiar to many having a long cultural history in Latin America being imported from Spain, though many may be surprised that its roots go all the way back to the ancient Middle East and North Africa where it was originally made with Tiger "Nut" (Chufa). Making milk from plants is really nothing new.

The third commercial goes on to make the point that having to shake plant-based milks is inconvenient (and apparently frightening), telling us that "real milk needs no shaking". What they seem to miss is that cow's milk, were it not for the process of homogenization, separates and also requires mixing. In fact I can go to the store right now and find bottles of milk with creme and small chunks floating on tops, it ain't always pretty either, but its hardly a good point against cow's milk. In fact many modern brands of plant-based milks have a quite uniform consistency, I personally find that my almond milk requires very little shaking and I've even been known to pour the occasional glass without shaking first² and not notice a difference. Are we really supposed to believe that separation is a reason to avoid a product? I wonder if the folks over at The California Milk Processor Board only drink "no pulp" orange juice. In the end the campaign comes off as misleading, inane, and at points even a bit offensive.

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1. yes that Andy Bellatti

2. Calcium tends to settles to the carton of soy milk (though some brands separate less that others), so while not shaking is fine for the occasional midnight glass of milk it is still recommended to give it a little shake most of the time. I find a simple 1-2 shake is all most brands usually need.

Further Reading:
Don't Call it Milk if it's Soy? by the Vegan Scientist
70 Ingredients By Dave D
Look Who’s Afraid! Dairy Industry Launches Ad Campaign Dissing Plant-based Milks
Guide: Plant-based Milks
Dairy-Free Diets Are Packed with Nutrients by Ginny Messina
Wear Your Soy Milk Mustache for Vitamin D Day!  by Ginny Messina
Got apology? Milk board cans 'sexist' campaign
Carrageenan - Facts Report
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Re: "real milk comes from cows"
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2012, 08:39:46 PM »
      There is some serious irony in there.
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Re: "real milk comes from cows"
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2012, 08:45:14 PM »
Zomg wall of text.
TLDR: Why the hell should anyone care? Drink what you want and let other people drink what they want too. Sheesh.

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Re: "real milk comes from cows"
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2012, 08:49:59 PM »
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but the term "milk" can also correctly refer to various liquids with a milky appearance

I hate when people refer to milk and expect you to be referring to cow milk.  Everyone knows that plant based milk is just as much milk as mammal based milk.  These dairy industry propagandists just don't understand where real milk comes from.
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Re: "real milk comes from cows"
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2012, 09:00:09 PM »
Hell they call Snake Venom Milk. 

Now there is a winning ad campaign!
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Re: "real milk comes from cows"
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2012, 09:03:21 PM »
If somebody was labeling soy milk as something besides "real soy milk" there might be an issue.  It's like the cow meat producers saying only cow meat is real meat.
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Re: "real milk comes from cows"
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2012, 09:05:02 PM »
fish meat is practically a vegetable.

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Re: "real milk comes from cows"
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2012, 09:07:51 PM »
Real milk comes from a woman.
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Re: "real milk comes from cows"
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2012, 09:08:23 PM »
Technically they are right

"Milk" has to come from a nipple

The rest of those are "juices" or "extracts", not milks
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Re: "real milk comes from cows"
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2012, 09:10:00 PM »
Zomg wall of text.
yeah sorry bout that, i fixed the formatting, i can put it behind a spoiler if u want...
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Re: "real milk comes from cows"
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2012, 09:14:18 PM »
Technically they are right

"Milk" has to come from a nipple

The rest of those are "juices" or "extracts", not milks

Milk of Magnesia....

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milk  (mlk)
n.
1. A whitish liquid containing proteins, fats, lactose, and various vitamins and minerals that is produced by the mammary glands of all mature female mammals after they have given birth and serves as nourishment for their young.
2. The milk of cows, goats, or other animals, used as food by humans.
3. A liquid, such as coconut milk, milkweed sap, plant latex, or various medical emulsions, that is similar to milk in appearance.
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v. milked, milk·ing, milks
v.tr.
1.
a. To draw milk from the teat or udder of (a female mammal).
b. To draw or extract a liquid from: milked the stem for its last drops of sap.
2. To press out, drain off, or remove by or as if by milking: milk venom from a snake.

3. Informal
a. To draw out or extract something from, as if by milking: milked the witness for information.
b. To obtain money or benefits from, in order to achieve personal gain; exploit:
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Re: "real milk comes from cows"
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2012, 09:17:22 PM »
Technically they are right

"Milk" has to come from a nipple

The rest of those are "juices" or "extracts", not milks

Milk of Magnesia....


Milk-like in appearance,

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As a suspension in water, it is often called milk of magnesia because of its milk-like appearance

By that logic, bats are bird-like in appearance, so they are birds

Also along your logic:

Soy Juice is milk-like in appearance, so it is milk
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Re: "real milk comes from cows"
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2012, 09:19:32 PM »
    I wonder how the goat milk producers feel about this.
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Re: "real milk comes from cows"
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2012, 09:20:19 PM »
      Most young animals (and quite a few human babies) can't use cows milk, or they die.  Formula, (made from soy usually) or goats milk has to be used. 
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Re: "real milk comes from cows"
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2012, 09:23:51 PM »
Technically they are right

"Milk" has to come from a nipple

The rest of those are "juices" or "extracts", not milks

Milk of Magnesia....


Milk-like in appearance,

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As a suspension in water, it is often called milk of magnesia because of its milk-like appearance

By that logic, bats are bird-like in appearance, so they are birds

Also along your logic:

Soy Juice is milk-like in appearance, so it is milk

Its not my logic...it was a quote from the dictionary
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3. A liquid, such as coconut milk, milkweed sap, plant latex, or various medical emulsions, that is similar to milk in appearance.

Milk of magnesia is properly defined as a milk
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