Topic: "real milk comes from cows"

[David "Stubb" Oswald]

    Except the ad uses skim milk that has been pasteurized, homogenized and fortified.  That's not real milk.

Yeah soy milk is more real then that.

Most real:  whole unpasteurized unhomogeneous
                    soy
                    almond
                    goat
 least real: skim cow milk

[SkepticalVegan]

What exactly are you arguing for?

well my central point certainly wasnt about the definition of milk...I wrote the post more to point out to vegans..."hey this dairy campaign that we are peeved at, yeah well some of us have used similar ingredient) scare tactics too" with this implication of knock it off (though perhaps i could have made that last point clearer)
I dont think soy milk is the equivalent of milk from a cow and I certainly dont think plant milks should get to be labeled just "milk" they should always specify the plant source (almond milk, soy milk, rice milk)
but yeah i didn't think the definition of milk would be the most interesting part here

[Citizen Skeptic]

I'm a carnist. My new favorite word.

[SkepticalVegan]

Is the simple concept that some words can have multiple definitions too difficult for you to understand?

He is claiming that the Milk ad in the OP is fraudulent and childish for claiming that cow milk is the only real milk. the point the milk companies were trying to make is that milk (see: juice) from vegetables is not mammalian milk. Saying that this is fraudulent and childish brings with it the assumption and implication that mammalian milk and vegetable juice/extract are both the same thing.

He is using a dictionary to prove his point, I am arguing that these things in the real world are not the same thing and that the milk ad is accurate in its portrayal

Multiple definitions, sure, whatever, I cant argue against that. But using those multiple definitions to try and argue that all those definitions refer to the same thing just because they are under the same word that is being defined? rubbish.

No I also pointed out in my blog post that the campaign was incorrect because it discriminated against other animal milks such as goats milk which it appear must legally specify goats milk while cows milk can say just "milk"

[Citizen Skeptic]

That's probably because cow milk is what is most common. But the cow milk people trying to stake a claim on the word milk is silly.

What would Elsie say?

[kvuo75]

I think milk is mammal milk.. I never even think "milk" when thinking of plant "milk" (i even put it in scare quotes!).. However, the dairy industry shit in the OP is obviously nonsense on its face. they appear to be trying the "natural" card on anyone who would bother to buy it.

i'm too drunk, but reading back thru this thread and dictionary, milk looks like a fake word... now milt looks like milk but is something entirely different.

i'm oddly nauseated now.

btw. has anyone ever heard someone pronounce the world "milk" as "malk"? wtf american accent is that?

[lonely moa]

I know what milk is and it doesn't come from a fucking genetically modified bean.  It comes from a mammal and it is full of heathy, tasty saturated fat.

[Citizen Skeptic]

We used to get raw milk and "cook" it at home. Nothing like fresh whole milk and cheese.

[andrewclunn]

Real milk comes from a woman.

I stopped reading there.  FX clearly just won this thread.

[lonely moa]

We used to get raw milk and "cook" it at home. Nothing like fresh whole milk and cheese.

Fortunately, our neighbor milks sheep and goats and makes wonderful cheese... and she only makes us give her money to have it.  Go figure.

[pandamonium]

I don't get what's so hard to get about using "milk" as a descritor for plant-based drinks that are used exactly like animal milk. Or why that's the big to-do in this thread. The milk board is clearly using BS to push their product, fear of chemicals being the biggest load of crap.

I know what milk is and it doesn't come from a fucking genetically modified bean. It comes from a mammal and it is full of heathy, tasty saturated fat.

What the what? You aren't some sort of anto-GMO ... person... are you? Because that's a whole 'nother.

[pandamonium]

Oh, and while we're on the subject, red pandas aren't really bears or pandas. Therefore we must only refer to them as mammals because this matters a lot.

[Caffiene]

Oh, and while we're on the subject, red pandas aren't really bears or pandas. Therefore we must only refer to them as mammals because this matters a lot.

Thats probably a good point.

There has been a concerted push to move away from saying "Panda bear" and "Koala bear" for the same reason, to say "Sea Star" instead of "Starfish", and so on. We do seem to consider it important in these other, similar areas, so it would be sensible to apply the same thinking here and be specific about what we mean instead of using imprecise terms.

[pandamonium]

Pandas are bears.

I googled it.

I too was surprised.

And that wasn't my point. Saying "soy juice" is not the same as saying "soy milk"--juices are generally translucent, thin, and sweet; soy and plant other milks are more like 1%. It's also vaguely no true Scotsman, in that the argument is that only animal milk can be called milk. So should we also call cucumbers "fruits" to be technically correct?

[Demosthenes]

I don't get what's so hard to get about using "milk" as a descritor for plant-based drinks that are used exactly like animal milk.

Because they are an inaduquette nutritional substitute for animal milk.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/21/opinion/21planck.html?_r=1&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/Subjects/B/Babies&oref=slogin