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What have skeptics been wrong about recently?
« on: Feb 23, 2012, 01:12:17 AM »
 What's the most shocking case initially dismissed by the skeptical community and then proven to be true? Obviously I'm looking for something a bit more recent, because the initial dismissal doesn't mean much if it wasn't backed by scientific and experimental rigour.




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Re: What have skeptics been wrong about recently?
« Reply #1 on: Feb 23, 2012, 01:38:00 AM »
What's the most shocking case initially dismissed by the skeptical community and then proven to be true? Obviously I'm looking for something a bit more recent, because the initial dismissal doesn't mean much if it wasn't backed by scientific and experimental rigour.
??? False premise?
A skeptic won't just "initially dismiss" anything if they're worth their weight in salt. IMHO the worst they'll say is that there isn't enough evidence to support what's being claimed.
If somone is coming out and saying "that's a load of shit" from the getgo, especially on a new topic, I'd be questioning if they are a skeptic. (Or they are just being tactless and sick of the loons.)
I'm having trouble thinking of anything. There is the opposite case where something was claimed but found to not have a supporting case and I'm thinking of a few drugs in recent years.
However, when skeptics said nay but it was yay, hmmm...
In my own field all I can think of is the case that neural placticity in adults wasn't thought to exist but after a few generations of research we found out it actually does under certain circumstances.

It's sort of difficult for skeptics to be wrong because they are generally not the ones making the claims, they are the ones questioning whether the claims can be supported from empirical evidence.

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Re: What have skeptics been wrong about recently?
« Reply #2 on: Feb 23, 2012, 04:03:01 AM »
Skeptics as a group tend not to be wrong about a whole lot of things because most claims are just rehashed arguments which have been around for ages. Homeopathy, chiropractic, Bigfoot sightings and so on tend to run in circles and not make many new claims. The most controversial topic I can think of is global warming. Even a few years ago the data was inconclusive enough that a lot of people thought the warnings were blown out of proportion. There are old SGU episodes where Perry takes that position, and at that time the data was not as conclusive as it is today.

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Re: What have skeptics been wrong about recently?
« Reply #3 on: Feb 23, 2012, 04:25:02 AM »
That Obama would be good for science and NASA?
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Re: What have skeptics been wrong about recently?
« Reply #4 on: Feb 23, 2012, 08:11:18 PM »
Well, the whole global warming thing is still going strongly denied by the libertarian factions here. Actually, you can count on them getting reality ass backwards wrong when their "dey took errr jerb liberties" ideology gets in the way. Hell, just watch Bulls Hit for a while.

/snark off

But seriously, any berts reading this want to straighten me out on your acceptance of the consensus of climate science? I'm open to accepting you guys got off the crazy train on this one...

//okay, snark totally off, for reelz

That Obama would be good for science and NASA?
NASA's issues were epidemic long before 08. I don't recall anyone holding out hope that much of anything could be salvaged, let alone gotten off the ground.
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Re: What have skeptics been wrong about recently?
« Reply #5 on: Feb 23, 2012, 11:48:46 PM »

If somone is coming out and saying "that's a load of shit" from the getgo, especially on a new topic, I'd be questioning if they are a skeptic.

This is an excellent point. I've been an avid UFO enthusiast my whole life, and one of the things which made it easier for me to dismiss skeptics and skepticism was seeing people who fancied themselves to be skeptics making smug proclamations about cases they didn't understand, or in many cases, "debunking" what they imagined a claim to be, instead of the actual claim.

I think a good example would be the TV news show that interviews a bunch of people describing a close encounter with something that looks like a manufactured object and behaves like an aircraft, and then they go to some skeptical astronomer for an alternate take on the matter, and he says the witnesses were all looking at Venus.

This seems quite lazy to me, because it's hard to imagine circumstances that would enable Venus to look and act like an unknown flying machine.

It wasn't until I began to encounter and listen to skeptics who weren't so lazy, and who took the time to understand the claims being made, and who were able to bite their tongues and be a little bit patient with me, that the world of skepticism began to intrigue me and draw me in.

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Re: What have skeptics been wrong about recently?
« Reply #6 on: Feb 24, 2012, 04:42:05 AM »
If people listened to us an stopped using that old junk they might have to come up with new unscientific stuff to throw at us. As it stands though science is basically the only source of new ideas right now and we skeptics happen to quite like that very reliable method.

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Global warming? Do you want an explanation of why greenhouse gasses make sense or how humans are involved?

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Re: What have skeptics been wrong about recently?
« Reply #7 on: Feb 24, 2012, 01:51:57 PM »
Mind you, I'm not suggesting that a skeptic has a responsibility to thoroughly research and understand every aspect of every crazy claim before beginning the process of debunking it. If I tell you aliens secretly control our government, for example, it's probably not too important to determine whether I'm talking about gray aliens or shape-shifting reptilian aliens.

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Re: What have skeptics been wrong about recently?
« Reply #8 on: Feb 24, 2012, 01:57:00 PM »
Mind you this question does not comes from me, I have a few friends that are skeptical of the skeptical movements accuracy when it comes to being right about judging the validity of claims.

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Re: What have skeptics been wrong about recently?
« Reply #9 on: Feb 24, 2012, 02:25:38 PM »
That Obama would be good for science and NASA?

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Re: What have skeptics been wrong about recently?
« Reply #10 on: Feb 24, 2012, 03:14:58 PM »
There are probably a number of issues that the "sceptical community" (herding cats comes to mind) is not unanimously in agreement.  Things like the effect of certain products n the environment like Bisphenol A for example.  like this example of late research:

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0031109

There certainly have been loud assertions in this forum that there is little or nothing of concern here, but when the facts change, minds can as well.
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Re: What have skeptics been wrong about recently?
« Reply #11 on: Feb 24, 2012, 03:19:35 PM »
Natalie Reed has some thoughts on things we're doing wrong: freethoughtblogs.com/nataliereed/2012/02/22/outline-getting-skeptics-to-think-skeptically-about-their-skepticism
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Re: What have skeptics been wrong about recently?
« Reply #12 on: Feb 24, 2012, 04:12:38 PM »
(sigh) Everyone has "thoughts" on what "we're" doing wrong, what we're doing right. Why name drop her here?

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Re: What have skeptics been wrong about recently?
« Reply #13 on: Feb 25, 2012, 01:11:42 PM »
Not sure if "sceptics" have altered their stance but Lovelock's Gaia (now Earth systems science) has been entered into the mainstream of the Earth Sciences after years of derision.  Lovelock has been elected tho the Royal Society and the theory is integrated into much climate science as well.  Some biologist don't like it because it treads onthe toes of those opposed to group selection.

A bit like Barry Marshall and Robin Warren and heliobacter pylori.
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Re: What have skeptics been wrong about recently?
« Reply #14 on: Feb 25, 2012, 04:42:13 PM »
Does this mean Earth is my nurturing goddess mother or some such?

 

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