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Re: Books Similar To A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #45 on: Mar 10, 2012, 10:42:40 PM »
See, there you go. I don't care for Jack Vance either - so pick that too and you'll probably love it. Lol
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Re: Books Similar To A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #46 on: Mar 11, 2012, 07:43:16 AM »
Jack Vance was a huge influence on Gygax and Arenson. So much so that the system of magic they designed for D&D is called Vancian.
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Re: Books Similar To A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #47 on: Mar 24, 2012, 12:17:45 PM »
Has anyone here read Martin's earlier books that he wrote before A Song of Ice and Fire and are they worth checking out any?

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Re: Books Similar To A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #48 on: Mar 24, 2012, 01:58:57 PM »
i haven't. i had them downloaded at one point, though.

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Re: Books Similar To A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #49 on: Mar 24, 2012, 10:57:38 PM »
I've read a couple of the Wild Cards books and they were OK.
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Re: Books Similar To A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #50 on: Mar 25, 2012, 05:57:17 PM »
Has anyone here read Martin's earlier books that he wrote before A Song of Ice and Fire and are they worth checking out any?

Absolutley.

My favourite is "the way of cross and dragon" it's science fiction.

Check out his anthology "Dreamsongs".

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Re: Books Similar To A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #51 on: Mar 26, 2012, 07:45:10 AM »
I read his short story In the House of the Worm. It was a pretty creepy story. Well told. I enjoyed it.
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Re: Books Similar To A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #52 on: Mar 26, 2012, 09:04:28 AM »
Has anyone here read Martin's earlier books that he wrote before A Song of Ice and Fire and are they worth checking out any?

I picked up "Dreamsongs" after enjoying SOIaF.   It's a good read.  Martin can kick out pretty excellent short stories.......

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No, Wheel of Time is a standard epic fantasy story, with a young farm boy discovering a greater destiny, etc. In terms of standard fantasy theyre quite good, but the later books get bogged down pretty heavily in politics and who is doing what where without advancing the plot much... Which I get the impression is a bit of problem with the later SOIaF books, too.

The current problem with SOIaF, in my opinion, is that the number of important characters has increased exponentially since "A Game Of Thrones".   Now, lots and lots of things happen to lots of characters, but the events have little impact on the plot as a unified whole.  I worry there's just going to have to be some wholesale slaughter of characters in this next book to thin the herd and get the story compact and moving again.  Either that or the next book will be 2000 pages and come out in 25 years after Martin's death.

Anybody mention "Dune" yet?  They're a bit slow going at first (think the first 3rd of "Fellowship Of The Ring") but once they get going, they get going!   There are warring family dynasties, a take on religion that SGU fans would probably find interesting, and have all the realpolitik that SOIaF has.....plus I think they place firmly right on the ground between SF and Fantasy.

(By "Dune" I mean the books written exclusively by Frank Herbert.  Not the crap spewed by his son.)
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Re: Books Similar To A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #53 on: Mar 26, 2012, 05:21:14 PM »
Has anyone here read Martin's earlier books that he wrote before A Song of Ice and Fire and are they worth checking out any?

I picked up "Dreamsongs" after enjoying SOIaF.   It's a good read.  Martin can kick out pretty excellent short stories.......

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No, Wheel of Time is a standard epic fantasy story, with a young farm boy discovering a greater destiny, etc. In terms of standard fantasy theyre quite good, but the later books get bogged down pretty heavily in politics and who is doing what where without advancing the plot much... Which I get the impression is a bit of problem with the later SOIaF books, too.

The current problem with SOIaF, in my opinion, is that the number of important characters has increased exponentially since "A Game Of Thrones".   Now, lots and lots of things happen to lots of characters, but the events have little impact on the plot as a unified whole.  I worry there's just going to have to be some wholesale slaughter of characters in this next book to thin the herd and get the story compact and moving again.  Either that or the next book will be 2000 pages and come out in 25 years after Martin's death.

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Come now, he does thin the herd somewhat. Once he's done with a character, it's all choppity chop.
I reckon that he'll do more chopping in the next book and leave the principal players for the finale.

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Re: Books Similar To A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #54 on: Mar 27, 2012, 05:09:55 PM »
Try the Temeraire series by Naomi Novik.

From her website:
The novels are works of both fantasy and alternate history: they are "a reimagining of the epic events of the Napoleonic Wars with an air force — an air force of dragons, manned by crews of aviators".

I love these books as both a historian and fan of fantasy.
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Re: Books Similar To A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #55 on: Mar 27, 2012, 05:46:42 PM »
The current problem with SOIaF, in my opinion, is that the number of important characters has increased exponentially since "A Game Of Thrones".   Now, lots and lots of things happen to lots of characters, but the events have little impact on the plot as a unified whole.  I worry there's just going to have to be some wholesale slaughter of characters in this next book to thin the herd and get the story compact and moving again.  Either that or the next book will be 2000 pages and come out in 25 years after Martin's death.

I worry about this, and it parallels what happened to Wheel of Time.

I think the first four books of WoT are spectacular. Then more and more characters get involved and the scope increases. Books 5 and 6 are still pretty good, then 7 - 9 start to really drag as he weaves in more and more characters that the reader couldn't care less about, things become much more focused on political intrigue and vying for power, and the actual plot lines slow to a snail's pace. Book 10 is quite possibly the worst book I've ever read. Book 11 is on par with 5 - 9. Then Sanderson takes over and the books get really good again, but feel a little cheaper.

When I first started aSoIaF, I could tell immediately that Martin was doing what Jordan had tried to do with books 6 - 11: A focus on political machinations with less emphasis on magic and that kind of power. But Martin does it masterfully and with such engaging and real characters, while Jordan does it so poorly and with characters the reader couldn't care less about, and to some degree turns his main characters into cliches and caricatures.

So if you're looking for a good fantasy series, read WoT but stick with cliff notes for books ~7 - 11. If you want a series that's like aSoIaF, look elsewhere.

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Re: Books Similar To A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #56 on: Mar 28, 2012, 02:46:26 AM »
The current problem with SOIaF, in my opinion, is that the number of important characters has increased exponentially since "A Game Of Thrones".   Now, lots and lots of things happen to lots of characters, but the events have little impact on the plot as a unified whole.  I worry there's just going to have to be some wholesale slaughter of characters in this next book to thin the herd and get the story compact and moving again.  Either that or the next book will be 2000 pages and come out in 25 years after Martin's death.

I worry about this, and it parallels what happened to Wheel of Time.

I think the first four books of WoT are spectacular. Then more and more characters get involved and the scope increases. Books 5 and 6 are still pretty good, then 7 - 9 start to really drag as he weaves in more and more characters that the reader couldn't care less about, things become much more focused on political intrigue and vying for power, and the actual plot lines slow to a snail's pace. Book 10 is quite possibly the worst book I've ever read. Book 11 is on par with 5 - 9. Then Sanderson takes over and the books get really good again, but feel a little cheaper.

When I first started aSoIaF, I could tell immediately that Martin was doing what Jordan had tried to do with books 6 - 11: A focus on political machinations with less emphasis on magic and that kind of power. But Martin does it masterfully and with such engaging and real characters, while Jordan does it so poorly and with characters the reader couldn't care less about, and to some degree turns his main characters into cliches and caricatures.

So if you're looking for a good fantasy series, read WoT but stick with cliff notes for books ~7 - 11. If you want a series that's like aSoIaF, look elsewhere.

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Re: Books Similar To A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #57 on: Mar 28, 2012, 04:17:48 AM »
Yeah, good summary.

I still have my books, because I still enjoy them, particularly the early ones... but I havent actually gotten around to reading book 12 yet. Ive got it there, I just cant quite muster the energy to reread through the middle books just yet.
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Re: Books Similar To A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #58 on: Mar 28, 2012, 05:58:00 AM »
W.O.T. Up to book five it's quite good, the whole madness on the male side of magic was interesting.
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Re: Books Similar To A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #59 on: Mar 28, 2012, 06:35:58 AM »
Try the Temeraire series by Naomi Novik.

From her website:
The novels are works of both fantasy and alternate history: they are "a reimagining of the epic events of the Napoleonic Wars with an air force — an air force of dragons, manned by crews of aviators".

I love these books as both a historian and fan of fantasy.

I concur.  I came to these via my interest in the Napoleonic Wars.
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