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No shit...really? They refuted Bem's experiment...I am shocked beyond words.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46740102/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/psychic-ability-claim-doesnt-fly-new-experiments/#.T2FF8MXlNks
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Re: New research shows Daryl Bem's Psychic evidence claim FAILED!!!
« Reply #1 on: Mar 14, 2012, 09:03:33 PM »
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It takes multiple replication failures to definitively refute a study, he said.

 :ughh: Actually, it's kind of the other way around.  When you are making extraordinary claims, we need it replicated many times to refute the established position.
 
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Bem also suggested that because Ritchie, Wiseman and French are skeptical of psychic abilities, they might have unwittingly influenced their participants not to display any clairvoyance. (The computer-based design of the study, however, is supposed to help prevent researchers from biasing their participants.)

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"This does not mean that psi[psychic phenomena] results are unverifiable by independent investigators, but that we must begin regarding the experimenter as a variable in the experiments that should be included in the research designs," Bem wrote.

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Re: New research shows Daryl Bem's Psychic evidence claim FAILED!!!
« Reply #2 on: Mar 15, 2012, 05:22:33 AM »
All those things Bem said....he had no idea he was talking about himself.
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Re: New research shows Daryl Bem's Psychic evidence claim FAILED!!!
« Reply #3 on: Mar 15, 2012, 10:20:09 AM »
'Tis but a scratch!


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Re: New research shows Daryl Bem's Psychic evidence claim FAILED!!!
« Reply #4 on: Mar 15, 2012, 10:52:32 AM »
I predicted this would happen.

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Re: New research shows Daryl Bem's Psychic evidence claim FAILED!!!
« Reply #5 on: Mar 16, 2012, 08:52:04 AM »
The biggest story in this is not that they failed to replicate the study, but that they couldn't get the studies published.

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Given that the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology was responsible for publishing the controversial claims in the first and that Bem's paper included an explicit appeal to other psychologists to attempt replications, we figured that this journal was the obvious choice to target in terms of publishing our own findings. The editor of the journal, however, did not agree and rejected our paper without even sending it out for peer review on the grounds that his journal "does not publish replications".

We then submitted it to Science Brevia and received the same response. The same thing happened when we submitted it to Psychological Science. Our failure to even get our paper sent for peer review became something of a story in itself. It was covered, for example, by Ben Goldacre in his Bad Science column, as well as by New Scientist and The Psychologist.

When we submitted it to the British Journal of Psychology, it was finally sent for peer review. One referee was very positive about it but the second had reservations and the editor rejected the paper. We were pretty sure that the second referee was, in fact, none other than Daryl Bem himself, a suspicion that the good professor kindly confirmed for us. It struck us that he might possibly have a conflict of interest with respect to our submission. Furthermore, we did not agree with the criticisms and suggested that a third referee be brought in to adjudicate. The editor rejected our appeal.


Considering science is supposed to about replicating results, this is worrying.
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Re: New research shows Daryl Bem's Psychic evidence claim FAILED!!!
« Reply #6 on: Mar 16, 2012, 09:09:03 AM »
One referee was very positive about it but the second had reservations and the editor rejected the paper. We were pretty sure that the second referee was, in fact, none other than Daryl Bem himself, a suspicion that the good professor kindly confirmed for us.

What kind of idiotic hack journal sends out a paper to be reviewed by the man who did the original research???
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Re: New research shows Daryl Bem's Psychic evidence claim FAILED!!!
« Reply #7 on: Mar 16, 2012, 07:19:29 PM »
One referee was very positive about it but the second had reservations and the editor rejected the paper. We were pretty sure that the second referee was, in fact, none other than Daryl Bem himself, a suspicion that the good professor kindly confirmed for us.

What kind of idiotic hack journal sends out a paper to be reviewed by the man who did the original research???

The kinds that accept pseudoscience and denies replications.