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Re: Cracked, 5 ways men are taught to hate women
« Reply #1 on: Apr 18, 2012, 08:48:33 AM »
Haven't finished reading it yet, but man.. the comments they quoted from FreeRepublic are horrifying. So glad that I have two daughters.
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Re: Cracked, 5 ways men are taught to hate women
« Reply #2 on: Apr 18, 2012, 10:18:03 AM »
Great article.

The comments on some of those pages are hideous.

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Re: Cracked, 5 ways men are taught to hate women
« Reply #3 on: Apr 18, 2012, 10:22:09 AM »
Damnation why is it all the interesting stuff is blocked at work for me. 
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Re: Cracked, 5 ways men are taught to hate women
« Reply #4 on: Apr 18, 2012, 10:40:17 AM »
Damnation why is it all the interesting stuff is blocked at work for me.

Because all the stuff you find interesting is porn? :)
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Re: Cracked, 5 ways men are taught to hate women
« Reply #5 on: Apr 18, 2012, 10:49:49 AM »
Reading...

on #2.  To be fair, politics may be driving some of those comments about Elena Kagan.

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Re: Cracked, 5 ways men are taught to hate women
« Reply #6 on: Apr 18, 2012, 10:52:23 AM »
Aye.....Cracked...... you disappoint me

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Re: Cracked, 5 ways men are taught to hate women
« Reply #7 on: Apr 18, 2012, 10:54:42 AM »
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on #2.  To be fair, politics may be driving some of those comments about Elena Kagan.

Yes, that is the point.

They are attacking how she looks, not her political views.


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Re: Cracked, 5 ways men are taught to hate women
« Reply #8 on: Apr 18, 2012, 11:08:03 AM »
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on #2.  To be fair, politics may be driving some of those comments about Elena Kagan.

Which excuses judging a successful woman based solely on her appearance how?
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Re: Cracked, 5 ways men are taught to hate women
« Reply #9 on: Apr 18, 2012, 11:10:07 AM »
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on #2.  To be fair, politics may be driving some of those comments about Elena Kagan.

Yes, that is the point.

They are attacking how she looks, not her political views.

People attack politicians and political figures for things other than their political views all the time.  In fact, they do it more than attack their political views because that might result in people actually seeing where they really disagree.  This is a flaw in political discourse, not objectification of women.  The fact that Elena Kagan got attacked for being ugly is probably because she is really unattractive, and people go for the low hanging fruit.  Remarks about Bill Gates being a scrawny weakling abounded when he became rich.  This is nothing sexist.

As an aside, this author is an idiot and horn dog, or he had to fluff his piece to get to 5 (potentially both).  All I want to say to him is, "Have some god damn self respect!  There are things guys live for other than sex, we don't all secretly want to be like Charlie Sheen.  Congrats on written an article about, "Why Men Hate Women," that exposes you as an apologist for man-hating feminism, you sad excuse for a man!"

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Re: Cracked, 5 ways men are taught to hate women
« Reply #10 on: Apr 18, 2012, 11:11:10 AM »
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Re: Cracked, 5 ways men are taught to hate women
« Reply #11 on: Apr 18, 2012, 11:28:55 AM »
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on #2.  To be fair, politics may be driving some of those comments about Elena Kagan.

Yes, that is the point.

They are attacking how she looks, not her political views.

People attack politicians and political figures for things other than their political views all the time.  In fact, they do it more than attack their political views because that might result in people actually seeing where they really disagree.  This is a flaw in political discourse, not objectification of women.  The fact that Elena Kagan got attacked for being ugly is probably because she is really unattractive, and people go for the low hanging fruit.  Remarks about Bill Gates being a scrawny weakling abounded when he became rich.  This is nothing sexist.

As an aside, this author is an idiot and horn dog, or he had to fluff his piece to get to 5 (potentially both).  All I want to say to him is, "Have some god damn self respect!  There are things guys live for other than sex, we don't all secretly want to be like Charlie Sheen.  Congrats on written an article about, "Why Men Hate Women," that exposes you as an apologist for man-hating feminism, you sad excuse for a man!"

I think you missed the point of the article entirely.

Especially the point that women are being judged on their appearance first and foremost.


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Re: Cracked, 5 ways men are taught to hate women
« Reply #12 on: Apr 18, 2012, 11:29:27 AM »
Andrew missing the point? That's unpossible!
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Re: Cracked, 5 ways men are taught to hate women
« Reply #13 on: Apr 18, 2012, 11:31:43 AM »
I like the article a lot but I think it really misses the boat on Bridesmaids, which to me is not only one of the best comedies that's come out in the past several years but also one of the most gender-more-breaking mainstream comedies *ever*. It takes every angle of a typical guys-doing-bad-things comedy and turns it completely on its head. The girl pursues the guy (and eventually gets him) (OMG SPOILER ALERT!!!!), the movie isn't afraid to show *all* the female characters in the movie being less than something that ought to be placed on a pedestal... because it's a feminine movie there aren't really obvious villains the way there are in, say, "Happy Gilmore" or "Anger Management" but in the end that I think is one of its biggest strengths because villains don't really exist in most peoples' lives (there was Maya Rudolph's high-society friend but, well, spoilers plx). Instead, the biggest antagonist to Kristen Wiig is... Kristen Wiig.

As for the Susan McCarthy character, isn't she pretty much *exactly* the flip side of Zach Galifinakis in The Hangover? Okay, you don't like some of the ways she breaks gender stereotypes. The problem is, this is more or less the *only* female-oriented comedy I can think of anyway which has a woman in this sort of role (maybe that Sandra Bullock movie where she plays the crossword puzzle maker with serious Aspberger's syndrome counts, although in fairness that movie completely bombed). And even there, she completely turns the whole thing on its head by a. being the vehicle which lifts Wiig out of her funk (isn't that role normally filled by a sassy gay man?) and b. getting her man at the end (itself a reversal of that "WTF HOW DID HE EVER END UP WITH HER??" thing you see at the end of so many guy comedies).

Okay, soabox is being stepped down from. Otherwise, this is a really good article which I think people ought to really consider. It's so, so easy to marginalize women.
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Re: Cracked, 5 ways men are taught to hate women
« Reply #14 on: Apr 18, 2012, 11:35:38 AM »
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