Topic: Cracked, 5 ways men are taught to hate women

[AQB24712]

^Should I reread this? The first time, I remember thinking he had something of a point, lost in the underlying sea of him just wanting to get laid and assuming all men want to do is that.

Are you implying that we don't?  Who knows, maybe I'm the freak.  I mean, I take a lot of pleasure in figuring things out, learning new things, wandering around the woods, and soforth, but that doesn't mean I don't also want sex, more or less constantly.

DRmeg is not saying (ETA: that the author is saying) "all men want to have sex."  She's saying "all that men want is to have sex."  You're agreeing with the first statement, and listing evidence against the second one.  ETA:  You (and all men) want to have sex, but that's not all you (and all men) want. Yes?  Or have I just muddied it further?

[Hanes]

It's like saying, "all sharks want to do is swim."  Sure they may also eat food and crap, but they never stop swimming.

From what I've heard, a woman's brain doesn't work like that.  I wonder what that must be like.

[superdave]

What gets me about number 4 is that people let themselves act like that.  I mean, if I see a beautiful or ugly woman and she's making some argument, the way she looks may be the first and last thing I notice, but what kind of a dipshit bases a rebuttal on that!?  I mean, there's things we can and can't control about our reactions, but people who don't even make the effort piss me off.

People will stop doing it if the behavior isn't rewarded by people pushing the like button.

[DRmeg378]

It's like saying, "all sharks want to do is swim."  Sure they may also eat food and crap, but they never stop swimming.

From what I've heard, a woman's brain doesn't work like that.  I wonder what that must be like.

I've had many female friends who had issues with boyfriends who loved them, were not cheating on them, but didn't want sex. It's a really painful reason to end a relationship. I think not all men are the same.

[Johnny Slick]

Yeah, personally sex is fun and all but its also something that lasts a few minutes and then I'm done with it for a while. Saying it's all I want or whatever is going a bit overboard.

[MikeHz]

I'm not willing to let the ladies off the hook entirely. This all works both ways. Women have certain unrealistic expectations from men, much of it media-driven, and check a guy over pretty carefully before considering signing on with him. "Sure, he's smart and all. But, I'm way out of his league. I can do better. Besides, he has a crappy job and doesn't make much money."

[SVoid]

I'm not willing to let the ladies off the hook entirely. This all works both ways. Women have certain unrealistic expectations from men, much of it media-driven, and check a guy over pretty carefully before considering signing on with him. "Sure, he's smart and all. But, I'm way out of his league. I can do better. Besides, he has a crappy job and doesn't make much money."

What is ironic is that usually the people who make these claims like the one in the article, are also the ones aware of the same problem for men. Someone it this treat pointed out people making fun of Bill Gates. Well, yes, stereotypes are bad. All things being equal both stereotypes would be just as bad. (Also, male stereotypes are usually about them be stronger, more confident, and smarter. However, there are other stereotypes on top of that, like being passive/oblivious husbands.)

Things are not equal. Consider as an anecdote, Bill Gates' net worth. Both issues should be talked about. By why do you have to bring up an issues that hurts mean less when talking about an issue that hurts women more?

In other words: why do you think anyone want you to let 'the ladies' off the hoot entirely?

[seaotter]

Oh I "get it."  The point is to get people to stop stereotyping women by stereotyping men instead so that a bunch of man-hating women and self-loathing men can pat themselves on the back for feeling "enlightened."

Just when I thought andrew could not get it more, I have proven wrong! Tell us about sluts, andrew! Please let me know about sluts!

I'm going to this^

Fuck Andrew, why do you do this? You know very well that you don't know the motivations for anyone on the forums or for that matter in the article. Not helpful.

[Johnny Slick]

Even aside from the knowing or not knowing what other peoples' agendas are, this idea of self-hating men and man-hating women is such ancient conservative code that I'm surprised he didn't include anything about international bankers in there as well. On top of that, whinging about said self-hating men and man-hating women doesn't actually address the points raised in the article. Yep, big fat ad hominem. And andrew wonders why people make fun of him...

[341gerbig]

I'm not willing to let the ladies off the hook entirely. This all works both ways. Women have certain unrealistic expectations from men, much of it media-driven, and check a guy over pretty carefully before considering signing on with him. "Sure, he's smart and all. But, I'm way out of his league. I can do better. Besides, he has a crappy job and doesn't make much money."

What is ironic is that usually the people who make these claims like the one in the article, are also the ones aware of the same problem for men. Someone it this treat pointed out people making fun of Bill Gates. Well, yes, stereotypes are bad. All things being equal both stereotypes would be just as bad. (Also, male stereotypes are usually about them be stronger, more confident, and smarter. However, there are other stereotypes on top of that, like being passive/oblivious husbands.)

Things are not equal. Consider as an anecdote, Bill Gates' net worth. Both issues should be talked about. By why do you have to bring up an issues that hurts mean less when talking about an issue that hurts women more?

In other words: why do you think anyone want you to let 'the ladies' off the hoot entirely?

And this is why the men's rights movement has legitimacy, despite what Rebecca may think

[Johnny Slick]

Has Rebecca ever said that men's rights aren't a legitimate thing to go after? Most feminists I've known are pretty well aware that men are in this thing too and often get the short end of the stick in gender-related issues. Where there is animus towards "men's rights movements", it's animus towards guys saying "come on, libs! Let us be nasty to women again! IT IS OUR RIGHT" or else doing that thing where we crowd out bigger women's rights issues with our sometimes less important gripes. I'm not saying that no feminist has a tin ear to this sort of thing but my experience is that feminism as a movement has long been about gender relations in general and not simply about women.

[superdave]

it ain't called society for nothing.  we are all in it together.

[andrewclunn]

People don't make fun of me Johnny, just a very select few of you and it's always the same people.  You can't tell me I'm secretly angry at sluts and using conservative code words, while simultaneously accusing me of arguing against straw men and lobbing ad hominems.  Well you can, but it's innately hypocritical.  Pick one, pointless mocking and your special brand of 'humor' or discussion based on arguments.  I stand by my previous statements, this article is a hateful piece of shit that appeals to people who buy into horrible stereotypes about men.

[seaotter]

Why don't you block folks instead of feuding? You know very well what youre doing when you write a post like that. Again not helpful.

[andrewclunn]

Why don't you block folks instead of feuding? You know very well what youre doing when you write a post like that. Again not helpful.

Nobody asked you to get involved.  Your not the mod.  You're the one who is driving this away from the original topic.  Back off.