Topic: Vegan, we are not grizzly bears

[lonely moa]

taubes' education has nothing to do with whether he's presenting accurate information. it does, however, make me cautious regarding his interpretation of research. just like I'm skeptical regarding Michael Pollan's work, although I do agree with some of his premises and arguments. Pollan is a journalist not a research scientist. the fact that he says things I like to hear makes me think I let him get a free pass on the stuff I don't like to heaar.

I'm waiting for Naomi Oreskes to have a look.  She's an exploration geologist but did a pretty good job on tobacco.  Would be hard to beat Taubes decade of literary research on nutrition, though.  Maybe he'd give her the lend of his library. 

[Johnny Slick]

So.... are you a Truther then? Your constant invocation of the argument from false authority is very, very congruent with the thought processes of Truthers.

[GodSlayer]

Grizzleys can go for maybe 6 months without eating anything but their own fat.

how do they eat their own fat?

eating raw animal flesh usually makes us sick

Little known fact: 18 million Japanese get sick everyday after eating sushi.

is there a big difference between raw food that was frozen and that which wasn't? (is it only fish that this works for, or is necessary for? ...is it necessary (I recall that 'eat a live paralyzed fish' fad of many years ago).)

I really don't want to turn this into a meat vs plant based diet argument topic

if we turned this into a dietary discussion we'd have stopped talking about "veganism", since circuses and woolen socks are not a part of anyone's diet, that's just strict vegetarianism.

[GodSlayer]

I have ate the raw heart from a pronghorn antelope minutes after it was killed (by me) I did not get sick.

if I didn't like my current sig, this would be my new sig.

[GodSlayer]

On the Internet, no one knows you're a grizzly bear.

but if you grizzle too often in the bitching thread, people will begin to wonder.

[LumpyFish]

Grizzleys can go for maybe 6 months without eating anything but their own fat.  I've got less than the theoretical 30,000 calories stored, wouldn't work for me.

I think she mentioned gorrillas as well.  Our guts are about a third as long and our mandibles are no longer able to do the chewing they do. Poor comparison.

Dr Wrangham has put this in the best evolutionary terms, IMHO.  One does get more nutrition from cooked meat and it does have other advantages, but it is a tasty treat raw in the proper contest.

Catching Fire is a great book.

[LumpyFish]

Little known fact: 18 million Japanese get sick everyday after eating sushi.

Nitpick: Sushi isn't raw fish; sushi is rice wrapped in a roll with different fillings which can include fish but also can include vegetables and chicken teriyaki.  Raw fish served by itself is sashami.  http://www.snopes.com/food/ingredient/sushi.asp

This is a bit pedantic.  Of course sushi does not necessarily have to contain raw fish, but it can and a lot of it does. 

[lonely moa]

Grizzleys can go for maybe 6 months without eating anything but their own fat.

how do they eat their own fat?

Same way anyone does.  If one alters their body composition to have less body fat, that adipose tissue is metabolilsed.  The human body likes to hang onto this emergency store of food and has several (hormonal) ways to keep it, like downregulating your metabolism when you starve yourself (go on a "diet") or make you hungry when your most recent meal has been metabolised and stored.

Grizzzly bears might be quite insensitive to insulin during the feeding season so they can store fat.

[Johnny Slick]

THIS JUST IN: Humans are not grizzly bears.

[Morvis13]

Nor are we cows.

[lonely moa]

Actually, cattle get most, nearly all, of their energy from fat.  Those bacteria in their stomachs and intestines digest the grass and the product of that metabolism is fat.  We don't have the same alimentary architecture or bacteria, but we aren't that different... but probably more similar to other mammilian omnivores, like bears.

[GodSlayer]

Grizzleys can go for maybe 6 months without eating anything but their own fat.

how do they eat their own fat?

Same way anyone does.  If one alters their body composition to have less body fat, that adipose tissue is metabolilsed.  The human body likes to hang onto this emergency store of food and has several (hormonal) ways to keep it, like downregulating your metabolism when you starve yourself (go on a "diet") or make you hungry when your most recent meal has been metabolised and stored.

Grizzzly bears might be quite insensitive to insulin during the feeding season so they can store fat.

literalist joke fail

excuse me while I have sex with my own dick.

[khendar]

I will start things off. I have ate the raw heart from a pronghorn antelope minutes after it was killed (by me) I did not get sick. I think we can digest raw meat and get the nutrition from it.

I had a steak tartare with raw Angus beef slivers and a truffle dressing the other day...I'm not saying its EXACTLY the same thing..but still.

[GodSlayer]

at first I read that as 'turtle dressing'

[SkepticalVegan]

I'm a veggie, have been since, oh, '92 or so. "Experimented" with veganism during teh stupid years (teens to early 20s). It was sloppy crap like this article that pushed me towards reality based thinking and evidence based positions. I hate to generalize unduly, but this has been my exeperience over and over and over and over, vegans are loons, and if I ever meet a non batshit vegan, I will eat my hat.

Listen to Citizen Radio podcast.

Yeah Jamie Kilstein is pretty awesome, though his co-host is anti-vax from what Ive heard.

also I like to think of myself as non-batshit and we had a number of vegans at TAM this year as well...even some "names"

We have Soymilk_gun on the forum. I'm sure you've run across him.

I will need to see photographic evidence of you dining on your hat, sir.

Why thank you...but note the name change

Yes, but I dismissed him outright as a hipster over his insistence on single speeds and fixies. I like soymilk (the bean juice and the man).
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no hipster here, just prefer to do minimal bike maintenance