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HFCS to Corn Sugar "RAGE!!" Ensues.
« on: Apr 19, 2012, 08:09:02 AM »
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A coalition of groups sent a letter to the Food and Drug Administration Tuesday opposing a proposal by manufacturers to call high-fructose corn syrup "corn sugar" instead. The coalition says consumers are against the name change by 100-to-1.

The ubiquitous sweetener has a bad rap in some circles, and the groups say the new name is just a ploy to confuse consumers who want to avoid it.

The Corn Refiners Association petitioned the FDA in 2010 to allow "corn sugar" as an alternate name to high-fructose corn syrup in mandatory ingredient lists on food packages. The petition said "many consumers are confused and misled by the ingredient name" and mistakenly believe high fructose corn syrup is high in fructose compared with other sweeteners such as sugar, honey and fruit juice concentrates.

The petition went on to say that the new name would "promote honesty and fair dealing in the interest of consumers."

Not so, says Chris Waldrop of the Consumer Federation of America, one of the groups that put out the statement. The corn refiners are "just trying to fool consumers," he says.

High-fructose corn syrup has been decried by some in the food-and-nutrition world as inherently different from sugar made from sugar cane or beets, and more likely to cause obesity. That has led some consumers to avoid it.

Waldrop and many nutritionists say there is little evidence the body treats corn syrup and table sugar differently. But, he says, if consumers don't want to eat foods containing high-fructose corn syrup, that should be their decision.

The name change would be "deceptive, and we don't think it's an appropriate way to deal with consumer concerns." His organization worries that consumers might think high-fructose corn syrup has been taken out of a product when in fact "the name was just changed — and that's not fair."

In an unrelated lawsuit, sugar producers are suing corn refiners, saying ads that call high-fructose corn syrup "nutritionally the same as table sugar" are false and misleading.

In a letter to FDA Commissioner Margaret Hamburg on Tuesday, four consumer groups said nearly 5,000 consumers have written to the FDA to oppose the name change. Only 40 supported it.

Table sugar is made up of 50% fructose and 50% glucose. High-fructose corn syrup is made by adding enzymes to corn starch to change some of the glucose to fructose. The most common variety is 45% fructose and 55% glucose. Sugar and high-fructose corn syrup each contain 15 calories per teaspoon.

The corn refiners group has science on its side, "but so what?" says Marion Nestle, a professor of nutrition at New York University. "This isn't about science, this is about people eating too much sugar" of all kinds — 120 pounds a year — leading to obesity, diabetes, heart disease and cancer.

'Corn sugar' could help people watch "their intake of added sugars," the Corn Refiners Association said in a statement.

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« Reply #1 on: Apr 19, 2012, 11:27:20 AM »
Reminds me of the time I invested in MCI because it was a totally different corporation than WorldCom.
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« Reply #2 on: Apr 19, 2012, 01:31:03 PM »
Sounds like a job for Naomi Oreskes.  Taubes and Lustig have already beat this to death explained the science, sociology and economics of this subject but only the choir is listening.
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« Reply #3 on: Apr 19, 2012, 02:57:57 PM »
I agree with allowing hfcs to be called corn sugar,  but I hate this issue. 
Yes, we eat too much sugar and hfcs, no hfcs is not poison.  Why do people act like it is all or nothing?

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Re: HFCS to Corn Sugar "RAGE!!" Ensues.
« Reply #4 on: Apr 19, 2012, 03:10:48 PM »
I agree with allowing hfcs to be called corn sugar,  but I hate this issue. 
Yes, we eat too much sugar and hfcs, no hfcs is not poison.  Why do people act like it is all or nothing?

They do not want to be responsible for their own actions.

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« Reply #5 on: Apr 19, 2012, 03:43:29 PM »
I agree with allowing hfcs to be called corn sugar,  but I hate this issue. 
Yes, we eat too much sugar and hfcs, no hfcs is not poison.  Why do people act like it is all or nothing?

What, are you also proposing some magical colour midway between black and white?  Shall we call it "whack", maybe, or "blite"?  Nice imagination there, buddy.
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« Reply #6 on: Apr 19, 2012, 03:46:45 PM »
I agree with allowing hfcs to be called corn sugar,  but I hate this issue. 
Yes, we eat too much sugar and hfcs, no hfcs is not poison.  Why do people act like it is all or nothing?

What, are you also proposing some magical colour midway between black and white?  Shall we call it "whack", maybe, or "blite"?  Nice imagination there, buddy.
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« Reply #7 on: Apr 19, 2012, 04:41:43 PM »
 
Yes, we eat too much sugar and hfcs, no hfcs is not poison. 


More than a few researchers would disagree with you on the latter point, but they also make no distinction between the two, other than HFCS is so cheap that it has become the go to sweetener to help the product sell.  The metabolic effects of glucose and fructose are quite different, though.
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« Reply #8 on: Apr 19, 2012, 05:13:29 PM »
Yay, another issue where both sides are asshats.

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« Reply #9 on: Apr 19, 2012, 07:02:34 PM »
 
Yes, we eat too much sugar and hfcs, no hfcs is not poison. 


More than a few researchers would disagree with you on the latter point, but they also make no distinction between the two, other than HFCS is so cheap that it has become the go to sweetener to help the product sell.  The metabolic effects of glucose and fructose are quite different, though.
If high fructose corn syrup is poison, i would say it really sucks at doing its job.

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Re: HFCS to Corn Sugar "RAGE!!" Ensues.
« Reply #10 on: Apr 19, 2012, 07:49:59 PM »
Whole Foods doesn't sell any products that use HFCS. You know what manufacturers put in their products instead of cheap, ubiquitous HFCS? Cane sugar. Agave nectar. Honey. You know, sugar. Only the expensive kind. It's dumb.

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« Reply #11 on: Apr 19, 2012, 08:04:32 PM »
 
Yes, we eat too much sugar and hfcs, no hfcs is not poison. 



More than a few researchers would disagree with you on the latter point, but they also make no distinction between the two, other than HFCS is so cheap that it has become the go to sweetener to help the product sell.  The metabolic effects of glucose and fructose are quite different, though.

If high fructose corn syrup is poison, i would say it really sucks at doing its job.


Robert Lustig thinks it is doing a great job.  The kids he treats are surely being poisoned by sugar, and fructose being more toxic than glucose.  If you haven't seen the video... Sugar: The Bitter Truth
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« Reply #12 on: Apr 19, 2012, 08:12:40 PM »
Whole Foods doesn't sell any products that use HFCS. You know what manufacturers put in their products instead of cheap, ubiquitous HFCS? Cane sugar. Agave nectar. Honey. You know, sugar. Only the expensive kind. It's dumb.

Yep,  I love Wholefoods, but I love it very selectively.
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« Reply #14 on: Apr 19, 2012, 10:27:00 PM »
 
Yes, we eat too much sugar and hfcs, no hfcs is not poison. 



More than a few researchers would disagree with you on the latter point, but they also make no distinction between the two, other than HFCS is so cheap that it has become the go to sweetener to help the product sell.  The metabolic effects of glucose and fructose are quite different, though.

If high fructose corn syrup is poison, i would say it really sucks at doing its job.


Robert Lustig thinks it is doing a great job.  The kids he treats are surely being poisoned by sugar, and fructose being more toxic than glucose.  If you haven't seen the video... Sugar: The Bitter Truth


come on, you know that poison is all about dose.