Topic: Fitness myths.

[LumpyFish]

Well, some foods are just empty calories. That's why you don't eat those kinds of food that often and when you do you don't have to eat that much of them.

[GodSlayer]

It's biscuits with gravy, like the same gravy you make with a turkey or something. And the same biscuits you make from bisquik or flour and such.

...I don't think I've had dripping-based, rather than supermarket sachet 'just add water', gravy in well over a decade; and I've certainly never had biscuits that are described like bread or scones.

'cookies' and 'biscuits' are similar, here. I figured 'biscuit' was a word yanks didn't even have, never knew they had something by the name.

[LumpyFish]

It's biscuits with gravy, like the same gravy you make with a turkey or something. And the same biscuits you make from bisquik or flour and such.

...I don't think I've had dripping-based, rather than supermarket sachet 'just add water', gravy in well over a decade; and I've certainly never had biscuits that are described like bread or scones.

'cookies' and 'biscuits' are similar, here. I figured 'biscuit' was a word yanks didn't even have, never knew they had something by the name.

Like this:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/149/400273814_3f4da50bae.jpg

[GodSlayer]

At the hotel, his wife would eat biscuits and gravy

wiki tells me this is some sort of lazy hick equivalent of French toast? (bread drenched in fat...?) where do you live?

It's a big deal in the Southern US.  Basically, a large number of empty calories.

At least French toast has an egg on it.

Jay

do they throw out the yolk for that? wouldn't egg yolk just make it even worse (better) otherwise

[GodSlayer]

It's biscuits with gravy, like the same gravy you make with a turkey or something. And the same biscuits you make from bisquik or flour and such.

...I don't think I've had dripping-based, rather than supermarket sachet 'just add water', gravy in well over a decade; and I've certainly never had biscuits that are described like bread or scones.

'cookies' and 'biscuits' are similar, here. I figured 'biscuit' was a word yanks didn't even have, never knew they had something by the name.

Like this:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/149/400273814_3f4da50bae.jpg

is that a scone, or is it more like a bread roll than a scone? (some rising agent in it?) ...or is it just a local term for scone (like 'freedom fries' )

[jt512]

At the hotel, his wife would eat biscuits and gravy

wiki tells me this is some sort of lazy hick equivalent of French toast? (bread drenched in fat...?) where do you live?

It's a big deal in the Southern US.  Basically, a large number of empty calories.

At least French toast has an egg on it.

Jay

do they throw out the yolk for that? wouldn't egg yolk just make it even worse (better) otherwise

Egg yolks are mixed bag.  They're high in saturated fat and cholesterol, but they're also micronutrient rich.

Jay

[jt512]

Well, some foods are just empty calories.

Depends on your definition of "food."

That's why you don't eat those kinds of food that often and when you do you don't have to eat that much of them.

At best, you're projecting.

Jay

[LumpyFish]

What do you mean by projecting?

[Karyn]

It's biscuits with gravy, like the same gravy you make with a turkey or something. And the same biscuits you make from bisquik or flour and such.

...I don't think I've had dripping-based, rather than supermarket sachet 'just add water', gravy in well over a decade; and I've certainly never had biscuits that are described like bread or scones.

'cookies' and 'biscuits' are similar, here. I figured 'biscuit' was a word yanks didn't even have, never knew they had something by the name.

Like this:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/149/400273814_3f4da50bae.jpg

is that a scone, or is it more like a bread roll than a scone? (some rising agent in it?) ...or is it just a local term for scone (like 'freedom fries' )

It's basically flour, lots of butter, a little milk and baking soda.  It's a food that when done perfect is absolutely delightful, but most places fuck it up.  I only make them at home, and I usually add cheese to em.  I don't care for gravy.

[Johnny Slick]

If you try to order biscuits and gravy in England, you will get a weird look.

[Karyn]

I just realized biscuits and gravy is basically flour, butter and milk baked into a solid substance, smothered in different ratios of flour, butter and milk (sometimes mixed with meat) cooked as a liquid substance.  Yo.  I heard you liked flour, butter and milk, so I put some flour butter and milk on your flour, butter and milk so you can eat flour, butter and milk while you eat flour, butter and milk.

[Tatyana]

[N]utrition is a major component of body composition . . .

Sounds like a fitness myth itself.

Jay

Okay, please explain how nutrition isn't a major component of body composition.

Please explain how it is, since you made the claim.

Jay

Actually, you made the claim I was referring to—you positively asserted my statement sounded mythic. But I'll explain anyway.

No.  You made an unsupported affirmative claim.  I said you were wrong.  You don't get to do that, and then when someone challenges you, put the burden on them to prove a negative.

Body composition varies dramatically depending on how many calories (the nutrition part) above or below the total your body uses for basal metabolism and daily activity. Regardless of exercise, if you eat significantly more than you need for energy, you'll get fat. If you don't eat enough (or have a nutritional deficiency), you'll lose tissue (eg, muscle, fat, and even internal organs if the deficiency is severe enough). For another example, bone mass is affected by nutritional intake (certainly calcium for one, but also the other micronutrients required for bone growth and maintenance).


If that was really all you meant, then I agree with you.  However, when people make statements like "nutrition has a major effect on body composition," by "nutrition," they usually are referring to the macronutrient profile of the diet, and by "major effect," they usually mean how muscle mass you'll gain, which I think is a myth.  I think that claim is a myth,  since most people in the developed world consume a large excess of protein.

Jay

Bodybuilders still eat WAY more protein that an average person in the developed world.

I will have to look at a few studies but if my memory serves me correctly, there is a correlation between eating more protein and a lower body fat percentage and greater muscle mass.

[AQB24712]

I just realized biscuits and gravy is basically flour, butter and milk baked into a solid substance, smothered in different ratios of flour, butter and milk (sometimes mixed with meat) cooked as a liquid substance.  Yo.  I heard you liked flour, butter and milk, so I put some flour butter and milk on your flour, butter and milk so you can eat flour, butter and milk while you eat flour, butter and milk.

BRING IT.  Totes +1 with bacon.  Srsly, with bacon.

[jt512]

What do you mean by projecting?

I meant that most people who eat those foods eat them frequently and in excessively large servings—and their body weight and health reflect it.

Jay

[LumpyFish]

What do you mean by projecting?

I meant that most people who eat those foods eat them frequently and in excessively large servings—and their body weight and health reflect it.

Jay

Right.  but some people can induldge in something sweet/unhealthy once in a while with little negative consequences.