Topic: dangers of genetically modified crops and farm animals...

[lonely moa]

No one has really looked carefully at the effects of changing the number of chromaosomes in wheat from 14 to 42 in modern wheat.

Can you imagine the health risks we may be unaware of?

There must be a few... or at leat, if aware of, discount them.  There will be coin op dialysis machines in Wal Mart beforee you know it.

Are you just going to ignore the fact we have been growing and eating this stuff for around 8,000 years? You have been critical of hexaploid wheat for a while but you also refer to it as modern wheat, and talk of a need to get back to older wheat varieties. With the exception of pasta wheat, wheat is hexaploid. What are you basing your suspicions on, another nutrition book where the author is an expert because he wrote a book? Cite some damn studies once in a while don't just make accusations blindly. It would not hurt for you to become a scientifically literate person.

Good arguments against the consumption of wheat, the history of wheat and clinical evidence of the beneficial health effects of abstaining from the consumption of wheat in this well referenced book by a cardiologist, William Davis, "Wheat Belly".

[Johnny Slick]

So... not a nutritionist then?

[lonely moa]

So... not a nutritionist then?

What's a nutritionist?

[Johnny Slick]

A person with a degree in something relative to nutrition, as opposed to, for instance, a cardiologist? I guess if you'd like I can find an auto mechanic who has some strong opinions about whole grain foods...

[lonely moa]

How about a cardsiologist that has dropped surgery for preventative medicine because he has found it far more effective in increasing the health of his patients... in the thousands. 

There are enough blogs on the internet by practitioners in nutrition masters and doctorates that explain that what they were taught was innefectual and contrary to current evidence to make me question any advice from the status quo. And plenty pof physicians that baldly state that they were taught basically zero about nutrition and had to learn about it whilst practicing medicine.

[Johnny Slick]

How about a cardiologist who moved away from cardiology because he saw a nice scam?

[lonely moa]

How about a cardiologist who moved away from cardiology because he saw a nice scam?

How abvout a cardiologist that saw health improvements in his patients.

[quokka]

Good arguments against the consumption of wheat, the history of wheat and clinical evidence of the beneficial health effects of abstaining from the consumption of wheat in this well referenced book by a cardiologist, William Davis, "Wheat Belly".

Here's a review of wheat belly from a site for gluten intolerance....

http://noglutennoproblem.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/wheat-belly-busted.html

What I didn't expect, the author pretty much slams the book for the misinterpretation of some of the evidence. The quote below summarizes what the author thought of the book:

To me this appears to be more than an innocent, but careless, oversight; it is more than a case of blissful ignorance. Those results are front and center in the study, and they directly contradict his claim. It would take an act of willful omission to leave it out; it's audacious that he cites the study to bolster his claim.

[lonely moa]

Good arguments against the consumption of wheat, the history of wheat and clinical evidence of the beneficial health effects of abstaining from the consumption of wheat in this well referenced book by a cardiologist, William Davis, "Wheat Belly".

Here's a review of wheat belly from a site for gluten intolerance....

http://noglutennoproblem.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/wheat-belly-busted.html

What I didn't expect, the author pretty much slams the book for the misinterpretation of some of the evidence. The quote below summarizes what the author thought of the book:

To me this appears to be more than an innocent, but careless, oversight; it is more than a case of blissful ignorance. Those results are front and center in the study, and they directly contradict his claim. It would take an act of willful omission to leave it out; it's audacious that he cites the study to bolster his claim.

ANd who are these bloggers "Kelli and Pete Bronski"?  Authors fo a cookbook?

[quokka]

ANd who are these bloggers "Kelli and Pete Bronski"?  Authors fo a cookbook?

Yep; but that didn't stop them looking up the actual studies that were being referenced and then finding that the book had not only made mistakes, but was blatantly misleading.

[lonely moa]

Many have found the book "lifechanging".  many of his patients have found the same.  I am one of the many that dropped wheat from my diet years ago and found the only negative (if you can call it that) is having to make an effort to keep weight.  There is nothing nutritionally positive to wheat but calories.  I'd rather get my carbs from things I grow myself.  That let's me keep that butter covered slice of organic sourdough toast once a month a delicious treat,
like a well brewed beer. 

[Zytheran]

Many have found the book "lifechanging".  many of his patients have found the same.  I am one of the many that dropped wheat from my diet years ago and found the only negative (if you can call it that) is having to make an effort to keep weight. There is nothing nutritionally positive to wheat but calories.  I'd rather get my carbs from things I grow myself.  That let's me keep that butter covered slice of organic sourdough toast once a month a delicious treat,
like a well brewed beer.

BULLSHIT, and you know it.
It's not as if there is any protein, fibre, vitamins or minerals or any other nutrients in wheat. +sarcasm
The rest of your post is confirmation bias and reads exactly like the latest woo for crystals or any other crap.

[lonely moa]

Many have found the book "lifechanging".  many of his patients have found the same.  I am one of the many that dropped wheat from my diet years ago and found the only negative (if you can call it that) is having to make an effort to keep weight. There is nothing nutritionally positive to wheat but calories.  I'd rather get my carbs from things I grow myself.  That let's me keep that butter covered slice of organic sourdough toast once a month a delicious treat,
like a well brewed beer.

BULLSHIT, and you know it.
It's not as if there is any protein, fibre, vitamins or minerals or any other nutrients in wheat. +sarcasm
The rest of your post is confirmation bias and reads exactly like the latest woo for crystals or any other crap.

Wheat flour is highly inflamitory with a glycemic index ten points higher than sucrose, plenty of the insoluable fibre you don't want or need, a few b vitamins and minerals only when you eat enough (120gm) to choke on.  You want micronutrients, soluable fibre and vitamins, eat vegetables.  You want some good fat and protien, eat meat, fish and dairy.  You want to get fat and increase your small dense LDL particles... eat pasta.

[Zytheran]

Many have found the book "lifechanging".  many of his patients have found the same.  I am one of the many that dropped wheat from my diet years ago and found the only negative (if you can call it that) is having to make an effort to keep weight. There is nothing nutritionally positive to wheat but calories.  I'd rather get my carbs from things I grow myself.  That let's me keep that butter covered slice of organic sourdough toast once a month a delicious treat,
like a well brewed beer.

BULLSHIT, and you know it.
It's not as if there is any protein, fibre, vitamins or minerals or any other nutrients in wheat. +sarcasm
The rest of your post is confirmation bias and reads exactly like the latest woo for crystals or any other crap.

Wheat flour is highly inflamitory with a glycemic index ten points higher than sucrose, plenty of the insoluable fibre you don't want or need, a few b vitamins and minerals only when you eat enough (120gm) to choke on.  You want micronutrients, soluable fibre and vitamins, eat vegetables.  You want some good fat and protien, eat meat, fish and dairy.  You want to get fat and increase your small dense LDL particles... eat pasta.

BULLSHIT, and you (should) know it.
http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsweek/Glycemic_index_and_glycemic_load_for_100_foods.htm

Lets compare vegetables and pasta for glycemic index shall we?

PASTA and NOODLES   
Fettucini, average   40±8
Macaroni, average   47±2
Macaroni and Cheese (Kraft)   64  <- not food
Spaghetti, white, boiled 5 min, average   38±3
Spaghetti, white, boiled 20 min, average   61±3
Spaghetti, wholemeal, boiled, average   37±5

VEGETABLES   
Green peas, average   48±5
Carrots, average   47±16
Parsnips   97±19
Baked russet potato, average   85±12
Boiled white potato, average   50±9
Instant mashed potato, average   85±3
Sweet potato, average   61±7
Yam, average   37±8

Not much difference there.

Dude, what's with the crap, you're sounding like a crazy religious zealot?

If you want to recommend healthy foods at least throw legumes into the mix.
And dairy, yeah might be fine if your ancestors came from north-west Europe, however most of the planet didn't and a damn higher proportion of the planet has issues digesting lactose compared to starches from wheat.

[Shadow Of A Doubt]

Many have found the book "lifechanging".  many of his patients have found the same.  I am one of the many that dropped wheat from my diet years ago and found the only negative (if you can call it that) is having to make an effort to keep weight. There is nothing nutritionally positive to wheat but calories.  I'd rather get my carbs from things I grow myself.  That let's me keep that butter covered slice of organic sourdough toast once a month a delicious treat,
like a well brewed beer.

BULLSHIT, and you know it.
It's not as if there is any protein, fibre, vitamins or minerals or any other nutrients in wheat. +sarcasm
The rest of your post is confirmation bias and reads exactly like the latest woo for crystals or any other crap.

Wheat flour is highly inflamitory with a glycemic index ten points higher than sucrose, plenty of the insoluable fibre you don't want or need, a few b vitamins and minerals only when you eat enough (120gm) to choke on.  You want micronutrients, soluable fibre and vitamins, eat vegetables.  You want some good fat and protien, eat meat, fish and dairy.  You want to get fat and increase your small dense LDL particles... eat pasta.

The great irony of your posts is that you make a big thing about how we didn't evolve to eat grasses, and then recommend that we get our nutrition from dairy which humans only started eating after they became farmers!