Topic: Quotes we disagree with

[SVoid]

Of course I think the original quote was giving up freedom for the illusion of security is stupid. But trading actual freedom for actual security is simply a choice. You give up some freedoms to put a lock on your door, but it providers very real security unless you live in a very unfortunate location.

I found this one today:

If you don't stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them.

  Like that many people are against the troops. I'm not sure I've seen anyone who is. Though I doubt doubt there are some raging idiots you can't tell the difference between being against a particular war and the troops who are required to participate.

[teethering]

Since we took a turn to politics:

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" -- Reagan

Having received some welfare checks and student aid in my day I can unequivocally deny that those are the scariest words in the English language.  I can think of some other ones, like "You have cancer, but your insurance doesn't cover treatment."

[GodSlayer]

Built in airbags encroach on my right to give myself brain damage by swiftly ramming my head into the steering wheel.

is it illegal to remove the airbags?
and is attempted suicide illegal in any of the states?

[GodSlayer]

You give up some freedoms to put a lock on your door, but it providers very real security unless you live in a very unfortunate location.

you only give up convenience for that, it has nothing to do with your freedom. you're free to do what you like with the lock on your door--no one has deprived you of the choice to do one thing or the other without persecution for your decision.

[SVoid]

You give up some freedoms to put a lock on your door, but it providers very real security unless you live in a very unfortunate location.

you only give up convenience for that, it has nothing to do with your freedom. you're free to do what you like with the lock on your door--no one has deprived you of the choice to do one thing or the other without persecution for your decision.

Right, I agree with you. But when people bring out that quote they often times don't quite understand it like that.

[Johnny Slick]

When I worked at the radio station conglomerate, the host whose show I ran was fond of saying "political correctness is domestic terrorism". Guhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

[Ah.hell]

When I worked at the radio station conglomerate, the host whose show I ran was fond of saying "political correctness is domestic terrorism". Guhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Any one famous or just some local show?

[Johnny Slick]

Just a local show. I did run the board for Michael Medved a few times (as well as Mike Siegel, who is probably best known for being the guy who replaced Art Bell the first time he retired). I produced a show that Medved's producer had on the weekends as well (although this wasn't it; he and I actually got along pretty well despite his being a Grande Lover of Bolde Fredomes).

[Ah.hell]

Ton continue derailing this thread.  How did Michael Medved go from tv movie reviewer to right wing talk show host?  Off course these days anyone can get a radio show including stars of such television shows as; Babylon 5, Northern Exposure and Saturday Night Live. 

[Cowtown Cody]

Of course I think the original quote was giving up freedom for the illusion of security is stupid. But trading actual freedom for actual security is simply a choice. You give up some freedoms to put a lock on your door, but it providers very real security unless you live in a very unfortunate location.

I found this one today:

If you don't stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them.

  Like that many people are against the troops. I'm not sure I've seen anyone who is. Though I doubt doubt there are some raging idiots you can't tell the difference between being against a particular war and the troops who are required to participate.

Yeah, I get the sentiment but that one is stupid as hell.  It's also assumes that "the troops" in question are all war criminals, and putting your civilian political enemies in front of them will mean the troops massacre them or use them as human shields.  And since this quote almost always comes from the kind of people who defend the honor of "the troops," maybe they shouldn't lob that accusation around while thinking that they're being clever.

Another one that I don't like is "fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity," intended to mean that it isn't possible at all to pursue one by way of the other.

Well yeah, actually it is.  Especially if the point of said screwing or fighting is to have a revolution or procreate, to bear unto the world a new generation of people - better people than us - who hopefully will not repeat our mistakes, and will adhere to new and better principles by virtue of their liberty from the old ones.  And if they thereby live better and more fully than we do, then I'd say our screwing made some damned good "virgins" as it were.  This quote only works as intended if the only generation you care about is your own.

[Johnny Slick]

Ton continue derailing this thread.  How did Michael Medved go from tv movie reviewer to right wing talk show host?  Off course these days anyone can get a radio show including stars of such television shows as; Babylon 5, Northern Exposure and Saturday Night Live.

I don't know; he had it for a long time before I got there, I know that much (actually the station I worked at at the time got started in large part because the other conservative talk station in the market dumped him, which was especially bad on his part because that was his flagship station). I will say that there was a time where if you had even a little bit of celebrity, could speak into microphones, and were a conservative, you got your own talk show. Medved turned out to be pretty good at what he did, or at least dedicated enough to keep pushing at it until he got good.

[GodSlayer]

Another one that I don't like is "fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity,"

yep, terrible one.
you want to live in peace, but you use violence against someone trying to rob or rape or kill you... gosh, that's no way to get peace! fighting back is the one thing you should never try! two wrongs don't make a right!


"There never was a good war or a bad peace."
 - Benjamin Franklin

he'd have been so disappointed in those Americans who fought against slavery if he had lived to see it.

[GodSlayer]

tell it to all the blacks who did nothing during slavery.

[GodSlayer]

”The only ‘ist’ I am is a scientist.  I don’t associate with a movements.”

http://freethoughtblogs.com/axp/2012/04/30/neil-degrasse-tyson-posts-a-surprisingly-disappointing-video/

you're not an atheist because you don't want to be associated with atheists? sorry, friend, that's not how it works.

this is like a woman saying she doesn't want to call herself a woman--she positively denies she is a woman--purely on the basis that she doesn't want to be identified with the womens movement, or like Brits saying they don't want to recognize their nationality lest they be associated with royalists.

atheist is just a fact, like American. ...maybe you don't want people to hate you knowing nothing else about you, so you don't want to admit that's what you are, but...c'mon, you're Neil DeGrasse Tyson, don't be such a pussy!

[klintistvud]

atheist is just a fact, like American. ...maybe you don't want people to hate you knowing nothing else about you, so you don't want to admit that's what you are, but...c'mon, you're Neil DeGrasse Tyson, don't be such a pussy!

He is lobbying for more NASA funding and probably thinks that to be identified as an "atheist" won't help him to get more money.