Topic: Are MRA really a hate group?

[341gerbig]

This article is bad reporting, they briefly mention the legitimately of the MRA movement, then go on to point out the radicals...the radicals DO NOT represent the majority of the members within the movement

The first shots in this so-called war on feminism were fired 22 years before Tom Ball’s suicide. On Dec. 6, 1989, Marc Lépine, a troubled 25-year-old computer student, strolled into the Ecole Polytechnique in Montreal, Canada, carrying a Ruger Mini-14 semi-automatic rifle and a hunting knife. He walked into a classroom, ordered the men to leave, and lined the women up against a wall.

“I am fighting feminism,” he announced before opening fire. “You’re women, you’re going to be engineers. You’re all a bunch of feminists. I hate feminists.”

By the time he turned the gun on himself, 14 women were dead and 10 were wounded; four men were hurt as well. The suicide note in Lépine’s pocket contained a list of 19 “radical feminists” he hoped to kill, and this: “I have decided to send the feminists, who have always ruined my life, to their Maker. … They want to keep the advantages of women … while seizing for themselves those of men.”

For some, it’s more than just talk. In 2006, Darren Mack, a member of a fathers’ rights group in Reno, Nev., stabbed his estranged wife to death and then shot and wounded the family court judge who was handling his divorce.

In Seal Beach, Calif. last Oct. 12, a day after Scott Evans Dekraai and his ex-wife had been in court to fight over custody of their 8-year-old son (Dekraai had 56% custody but wanted full custody and “final decision making authority” on matters of the child’s education and medical treatment), Dekraai walked into the hair salon where his ex-wife worked armed with three handguns. There, he allegedly shot seven women, six of them fatally; he also is accused of killing two men — the salon’s owner, as he attempted to flee, and a man in a car outside.

These men are not described as "outlying nuts" or "extremists" but they are described as "Soldiers in the war" as if the MRA movement planned out their actions and sent them to carry them out....... That implication is chock full of sensationalist reporting.. makes me mad.

[goodthink]

What gets me is just how slanted the reporting is.


At the time of Lepine a woman in Chicago entered the playground of a preschool and shot the boys, and only the boys because she hated men. It got no where near the coverage, yet both actions were despicable, and both illustrated how extreme rhetoric leads to extreme actions.


It's not like men are acting out and women are punching bags. Women are doing the exact same shit, only there are groups, who are a part of the 'system' defending them and mitigating their liability by pushing the responsibilty of their actions on men.


How is this even remotely fair?


You point out a statistic like, 3 women are killed every day by domestic violence - that's terrible. Two men are also killed every day by domestic violence - they probably beat their wives and deserved it.

[goodthink]

on the splc:  http://www.avoiceformen.com/a-voice-for-men/splc-linked-to-anti-mens-rights-subreddit/

[Neon Genesis]

No, it's more akin to wanting social justice.

What social justice issues do men face that can't be addressed through feminist worldviews?

[goodthink]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-m98xmCng0&feature=endscreen

[goodthink]

No, it's more akin to wanting social justice.

What social justice issues do men face that can't be addressed through feminist worldviews?

Since when have feminists pushed to address the social injustices affecting men? If it's one thing feminism has been consistent in, it's been deriding the possibility men aren't disposable objects. I am open to all the great endeavours feminism has undertaken on the behalf of men.

[goodthink]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W46iTOiFm1U&feature=relmfu


Seriously, anyone want to defend the posts she reads out from radfem?

[jaypee]

The entire issue with the SPLC is that they classified/charged/targeted the MRM only after agentorange did a screen capture dump of some feminist blog/forum.

I think it was more the suicide of a MRA group leader that brought it to the SPLC's attention:
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/a-war-on-women

Heh.. "feminazi ass harpies". I'm going to start a Punctuation Rights Movement.

[Calinthalus]

I know it's been discussed here, and I'll try to find a link.  But there was an article a few years ago by a feminist blogger that, I think, very well covered some of the sexist bullshit that guys have to put up with.  She was very well received by her feminist readers...so much so that she wrote a follow up that covered even more issues.

I had originally seen the link on Skepchick.  I'll try to search for it.

[Calinthalus]

Found them.

I had seen the arcticle on SkepChick and quite some time later couldn't find a link in another discussion on this topic.  Karen had the links at the ready (or found them quickly enough to seem magical) and came to my rescue.  This was a discussion back in March of 2011.

The links are:
5 Stupid, Unfair and sexist things expected of men
5 things society unfairly expects of men

These are both by Greta Christina, written in August of 2010.  Both fairly well received by the community of feminists.

[341gerbig]

Found them.

I had seen the arcticle on SkepChick and quite some time later couldn't find a link in another discussion on this topic.  Karen had the links at the ready (or found them quickly enough to seem magical) and came to my rescue.  This was a discussion back in March of 2011.

The links are:
5 Stupid, Unfair and sexist things expected of men
5 things society unfairly expects of men

These are both by Greta Christina, written in August of 2010.  Both fairly well received by the community of feminists.

Mmmmm, I love this kind of "human rights" feminism =)

[seamas]

This ranks among dumbest threads on the dumbest subject I have ever seen.

[andrewclunn]

Do I have to be part of a group to have an opinion?  At the end of the day one has to weigh the benefits and costs of supporting movements like MRA or feminism.  I don't think I'd care to support either.  I certainly feel like feminism acts like a hate group against men quite frequently, I can imagine that women probably feel that way about MRA.  Could just be that the movements have an easier time attracting the bigoted hypocrites though.  This is why any movement like this needs to have some kind of agreed upon mission statement.  Make things to vague where it's not clear what you stand for other than a general feeling of persecution and you're asking to be labelled by your opposition.

[amysrevenge]

I reckon that the extremists in pretty much any group that ends in "A" are more motivated by hatred for things they oppose than love for things they support.

(ETA activist, people, not association.  Geez)

[IrishJazz]

Do I have to be part of a group to have an opinion?  At the end of the day one has to weigh the benefits and costs of supporting movements like MRA or feminism.  I don't think I'd care to support either.  I certainly feel like feminism acts like a hate group against men quite frequently, I can imagine that women probably feel that way about MRA.  Could just be that the movements have an easier time attracting the bigoted hypocrites though.  This is why any movement like this needs to have some kind of agreed upon mission statement.  Make things to vague where it's not clear what you stand for other than a general feeling of persecution and you're asking to be labelled by your opposition.

Count on Andrew to add just a smidgen of qualified crazy to an otherwise reasoned post. Feminism- the idea that women are coequal with men and that certain rules that restrict their participation in society should be changed- is not a philosophy of hatred.  There were some pretty goofy radical, often lesbian feminists who adopted extremist ideas of the "all sex is rape" variety.  But that kind of counterproductive BS is not indicative of the movement as a whole. 

But, as there seems to be no such thing as an "MRA" - at least nothing very prominent- it is hard to classify their philosophy.  (One of the websites I found with those initials went out of its way to negate any inherent gender or sex-role bias.)  I blundered onto a website full of misogynistic idiots in the wake of the Rebecca elevator kerfuffle, but they seemed to be pretty harmless in their vile way.