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Re: Episode #355
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2012, 07:25:58 PM »
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Re: Episode #355
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2012, 07:32:55 PM »
Seems to me your saying they don't do it now therefore it can't be done. I wish we had a neurologist we could ask.

Which brains deal in semantics? Lizards? Does a snail just use syntax?
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Re: Episode #355
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2012, 07:45:23 PM »
no-en, if you want to argue machine sentience (again), might I suggest you go back to one of the previous threads (such as this one) where there are already many responses to your points that havent been addressed.

Theres not much point bogging down this thread repeating the same points that were made in that one which you havent responded to yet.
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Re: Episode #355
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2012, 07:47:57 PM »
Sloths are cool, and I'm drunk. Correction, I'm science!
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Re: Episode #355
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2012, 07:48:34 PM »
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Re: Episode #355
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2012, 07:49:44 PM »
You are hi freaking larious. I mean sad.
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Re: Episode #355
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2012, 07:54:46 PM »
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Re: Episode #355
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2012, 07:55:59 PM »
Ok case closed. ::)

Presumably we had unconscious minds before they evolved right?
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Re: Episode #355
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2012, 07:59:19 PM »
Quote from: no-en on May 05, 2012, 07:54:46 PM
I am on topic since this was debated at length in today's podcast so I don't really see the problem. I can't reply to everything and sometimes threads get so bogged down with extraneous stuff that it is helpful to make a clean break, start over, get a fresh start.

Ok, then, I guess Ill repeat from the previous thread...

Quote from: no-en on May 05, 2012, 07:25:58 PM
4) Syntax is insufficient for semantics

This is an unsupported assertion. It is critical to your conclusion yet you have provided no logic or evidence to show that it is that case, youve simply included it as a premise. Please elaborate.

(Also, point 2 is based on the assumption on point 4)
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Re: Episode #355
« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2012, 08:00:55 PM »
Presumably we had unconscious minds befor they were conscious. Right?
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Re: Episode #355
« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2012, 08:31:23 PM »
Quote from: no-en on May 05, 2012, 07:48:34 PM
Quote from: Chew on May 05, 2012, 06:48:34 PM

Aren't you the same poster who crapped on skeptics for being dogmatic?

If I argue that 2 + 2 = 4 am I being dogmatic?

Are there statements that are true?

Is asserting the truth of an argument dogmatism?

Is everything relative?

Are there objective truths?

Is stating an objective truth being dogmatic?

But you're not saying 2 + 2 =4; you're saying computers will never be conscious.

Stating a subjective opinion as if it were objective truth is dogmatic.
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Re: Episode #355
« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2012, 08:46:42 PM »
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Re: Episode #355
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2012, 08:50:52 PM »
Quote from: seaotter on May 05, 2012, 08:00:55 PM
Presumably we had unconscious minds befor they were conscious. Right?

I'm beginning to think yourE ignoring this for some reason.

Do I detect a backing off of the dogma with:

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Syntax by itself is not constitutive of semantics nor by itself sufficient to guarantee the presence of semantics.

And yes I realize I've just given you a way to ignore the unconscious question again.
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Re: Episode #355
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2012, 09:02:25 PM »
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Re: Episode #355
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2012, 09:06:04 PM »
Snicker. What's the POS podcast? This is not the first time you have washed your hands of this place. But really you didn't have to run away to ignore my question.

How the hell did we become semantic from syntactic if it's impossible?

Looks to me the problem is in axiom 3.
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