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*What cedric86 has been saying*

Yep. The local hospital does ECT. My p.doc recommended I try it, but at the time I was still overwhelmed with my diagnosis and what that meant.
Is this a recent diagnosis?

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There's no wonder why there has been a general fear, and we're not even talking about more frightening shock treatments of previous decades. I don't know what the current(HA!) treatments are like, or how it's done today. It just gives me the willies.

Regardless, I'd need a great deal of sound evidence based medical research before I'd even consider going through with it. I'm only aware of shaky for it and again' it opinions. Plus, no one seems to have a clue about why it seems to work when it does, and why it doesn't work when it doesn't, and why relapses occur.

I think weighing the risk vs benefits of this is quite a bit more complicated than assuming that this is a magical cure all miracle panacea for crippling depression without consequences (which may or may not be more crippling than the underlying depression). And you still have to take the shit meds, and having to go through more ECT sessions forever in the case of constant replaces. And the wonky memory and cognitive problems between ECT sessions... Yikes. Them is some risks. I've been considering ECT for the past decade, but the risks far outweigh the possible benefits for me. If I had dependent children or the like, the possible benefits would begin to outweigh the risks. But on a QOL level, I'm on the fence. My own shit is crippling, and I often conclude it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation for me, at best, so why bother? It's a creepy thing to have to consider. Regardless, it isn't something to be taken lightly. Good science on this would be super, but I've never been able to get any, in laymen's terms; just opinionated folks for it or agian' it, and no one should ever go on that, one way or the other.
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I was dx'd in 2004 with bipolar disorder. Took me a while to get past the dx. Some people never do. They become the dx.


As for how it is done today, they sedate you and give you a muscle relaxant so you don't go into convulsions, or they are minor compared to the past. The sedative combined with the ECT usually wipes out all memory of the event, so you never or hardly ever have bad memories of the treatments.




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Yeah, but your memories get all goofy about everything too. Derangement. Like, seriously. I've seen this with people going through ECT and afterwards, long afterwards too.

I'm sure you've encountered this yourself, as I have; shrinks hand waving away the unbearable effects of drugs they prescribe to you, telling you that you'll get used to them or they'll go away, or they'll go away once your off. Uh-huh. Bear that in mind when they (shrinks) talk about the effects of ECT not being a big deal, or being super duper temporary and will totally go away in no time and you won't really notice, and it's always sunny all the time.

I'm super skeptical of psychiatrists telling me that the bad thing isn't going to bad. Not $cientology hate campaign paranoid, but healthily skeptical.
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Yeah, but your memories get all goofy about everything too. Derangement. Like, seriously. I've seen this with people going through ECT and afterwards, long afterwards too.

I'm sure you've encountered this yourself, as I have; shrinks hand waving away the unbearable effects of drugs they prescribe to you, telling you that you'll get used to them or they'll go away, or they'll go away once your off. Uh-huh. Bear that in mind when they (shrinks) talk about the effects of ECT not being a big deal, or being super duper temporary and will totally go away in no time and you won't really notice, and it's always sunny all the time.

I'm super skeptical of psychiatrists telling me that the bad thing isn't going to bad. Not $cientology hate campaign paranoid, but healthily skeptical.


Me too. I was told seroquel has no side effects, it would help me sleep, relieve my anxiety and so forth. I wasn't really in a position to be skeptical considering I was headed for an invul stay at the local looney bin. Now I have diabetes as do many others who took it.


It could be much worse, I could have been one of the ones to get pancreatic psuedo-cycsts and pancreatitis.

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Split off personal stories to go in this thread.  This thread should be for discussing more general concepts around the validity of treatments and diagnosing.
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