Author Topic: My Skeptical alarms are going off......intermittent fasting guys? (Eat Stop Eat)  (Read 3215 times)

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Im reading a book called "eat stop eat", it is written by a Nutritionist, he used to work for the muscle supplement industry, until he started reading studies and found the majority of what he had been told about muscle building diets, weight loss diets,  and fasting does not match the available peer reviewed studies that he read, he soon quit his supplemental job and went off to find out the truth about diets and dieting. He came up with this book:



His story sounds like a typical story at the start of these books, and his book looks like any other half-assed diet book

It claims that fasting for two 24 hour periods a week will not only help you lose weight, but it will help you sleep better, correct insulin levels, correct hormone levels, build muscle, preserve muscle mass etc.  It dispels myths about fasting (you will lose muscle, your body will go into starvation mode etc)

It basically promotes: eat healthy food for 5 days a week, lots of veggies and fruit, lots of protein, decent amount of fat, not a much processed food etc, and for 2 days a week (could be split over 2 days, like Noon from one day to noon of another) eat or drink nothing over 20 calories (so flavoured water + gum is fine).

This immediately set off my skeptical alarm, but every claim he makes is backed up by a peer reviewed paper/study. Plus how he writes the book is very skeptical, he acknowledges the differences between anecdotal evidence and true evidence, and he doesn't employ weasel words, and he admits when what he is saying doesn't have enough studies to be fully accurate. His writing is very humble and sounds very grounded in logic and the scientific method.





I want to try this program out, but my skeptical alarms are still going off. Opinions guys?

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I've heard fasting can work. Regardless, I still wouldn't touch it. Part of a good diet is finding something that's tolerable and maintainable long-term. Not eating for 24 hours twice a week sounds fucking horrible. Same reason I don't do calorie/macronutrient cycling.

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I've heard fasting can work. Regardless, I still wouldn't touch it. Part of a good diet is finding something that's tolerable and maintainable long-term. Not eating for 24 hours twice a week sounds fucking horrible. Same reason I don't do calorie/macronutrient cycling.

Is there any hard evidence that it works and is healthy though?

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This is what I found.  Let me know if you have to register and log in. 

http://www.fitocracy.com/forum/topic/4366/

I sorta skimmed it.  All the way down at the bottom is a link to a short book a guy wrote about his experience with it.  http://www.precisionnutrition.com/intermittent-fasting

I only read that slightly more thoroughly.  It's not something I'm interested in putting myself though, so I'm not expending a lot of brain power on it.  Clearly, those people have.
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This is what I found.  Let me know if you have to register and log in. 

http://www.fitocracy.com/forum/topic/4366/

I sorta skimmed it.  All the way down at the bottom is a link to a short book a guy wrote about his experience with it.  http://www.precisionnutrition.com/intermittent-fasting

I only read that slightly more thoroughly.  It's not something I'm interested in putting myself though, so I'm not expending a lot of brain power on it.  Clearly, those people have.


Thanks a bunch, I have been looking for just this type of second opinion

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What is the argument that this is better than reducing food intake to 5/7ths all the time?

I'm getting a vibe similar to magic diet pills that you take on an empty stomach right before bed - just going to bed with an empty stomach is what produces the effect, not the pills.  Not eating for 2 days a week is effectively cutting your intake by ~28% - isn't that enough on its own?
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Regardless of whether this works--I'm with plastique, it sounds awful. I get light-headed and grouchy if I go 5 hours without eating, let alone 12, nevermind 24.

Plus, unless I can magically find 50% more willpower, I'd probably overeat and ruin whatever benefits I'd gain from fasting. So small, light meals every 4-5 hours are the ticket for me.

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Regardless of whether this works--I'm with plastique, it sounds awful. I get light-headed and grouchy if I go 5 hours without eating, let alone 12, nevermind 24.

Plus, unless I can magically find 50% more willpower, I'd probably overeat and ruin whatever benefits I'd gain from fasting. So small, light meals every 4-5 hours are the ticket for me.

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What is the argument that this is better than reducing food intake to 5/7ths all the time?

I'm getting a vibe similar to magic diet pills that you take on an empty stomach right before bed - just going to bed with an empty stomach is what produces the effect, not the pills.  Not eating for 2 days a week is effectively cutting your intake by ~28% - isn't that enough on its own?

That is the entirety of the authors argument, he isn't making any outlandish claims about it, he claims that the deficit itself is what causes the weight loss, and he makes no mystical sounding claims.

The rest of the book is dispelling myths about fasting and presenting studies on the benifits of fasting

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Regardless of whether this works--I'm with plastique, it sounds awful. I get light-headed and grouchy if I go 5 hours without eating, let alone 12, nevermind 24.

Plus, unless I can magically find 50% more willpower, I'd probably overeat and ruin whatever benefits I'd gain from fasting. So small, light meals every 4-5 hours are the ticket for me.

Eh, Ive tried it for the past couple weeks, and the 24 hour periods arent nearly as bad as they appear. I go from noon to noon, and I sleep through the worst part of the hunger.

It isnt bad at all

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And have you seen any effects?  Has it helped you sleep better, correct insulin levels, correct hormone levels, build muscle, preserve muscle mass, etc.?
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And have you seen any effects?  Has it helped you sleep better, correct insulin levels, correct hormone levels, build muscle, preserve muscle mass, etc.?

Its been to short of time for any reliable observations, and those observations would be anecdotal anyways, I just trust in the validity of the studies attached to the arguments of the book, and those studies show those listed things

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Nicely dodged!  :laugh:  C'mon, gimme one little anecdote.  How are you sleeping? 
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Nicely dodged!  :laugh:  C'mon, gimme one little anecdote.  How are you sleeping?

Eh, sleeping better I guess,

but i think that has more to do with my cutting out coffee after noon for once.


The studies I read didn't show massive effects, nor did the author claim massive effects in the book, the findings listed were enough to be statistically significant, but not a massive life changing deal.


The bottom line that I got for the tone of the book was:
"It will help you lose weight, and it wont hurt you,  and it might also improve some things slightly"
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Just about every diet "works." The trouble is, no one can stay on them for long.

I did know a woman who managed to use something like this and had great success with it. Hilda married young to a jerk. She then gained a prodigious amount of weight, becoming morbidly obese over several years. About four years in, she divorced Mr. Jerk, and decided to get down to fighting trim. She fasted every other day, and on alternate days ate reasonably. Inside a few months, Hilda would have looked at home on the pages of Playboy.

But, that was years ago and I haven't seen her since. These things usually don't turn out well in the long term. I have serious doubts as to the health effects of starvation diets.
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