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Episode #358
« on: May 26, 2012, 11:35:40 AM »
Guest Rogue: Joshie Berger
This Day in Skepticism: Animalcules
News Items: TAM Poker Tournament, Space X Launch, Studying the Universe, What is Consciousness
Who's That Noisy
Your Questions and E-mails: Speaking to Mediums
Swindler's List: Hearing Aids
Science or Fiction
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Re: Episode #358
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2012, 11:37:49 AM »
Thanks for something to help with the yard work!
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Re: Episode #358
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2012, 11:39:16 AM »
Thanks, guys. WTN is at 40:10, new clip at 43:30.

Awww, too easy! Who are the world's biggest psychiatry deniers? I'll let someone else post the answer.

(Damn! Just missed being the first reply!)
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Re: Episode #358
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2012, 12:44:39 PM »
That noisy is L. Ron Hubbard.

So what's my prize? :P
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Re: Episode #358
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2012, 01:20:14 PM »
>:( 

Someone e-mailed the WTN before me (under 32 minutes).  :P 

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Re: Episode #358
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2012, 01:21:39 PM »
Once you hear el Ron, you can never un-hear it (shudder).

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Re: Episode #358
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2012, 05:19:41 PM »
Re: Space Tourism: http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/australias-first-space-tourist-nigel-beck-aged-84/story-e6frfq80-1226366040476

Australia's first space tourist Nigel Beck, aged 84

AFTER conquering the North Pole and the South Pole there was only one place left for Nigel Peck AM to explore - the universe.
The 84-year-old Melbourne businessman is set to become Australia's first "space tourist'' when he blasts off in January 2014.

Mr Peck, who is the founder of manufacturing and distribution company NHP Electrical Products, has paid $100,000 for the 15 minute ride.

He believes in the project so much he's also bought shares in the Dutch company behind the flights, Space Expedition Curacao.

Mr Peck has visited the XCOR company that develops the LYNX aircraft in Mojave, California and will be on the first commercial flight from Hato International Airport in the Caribbean, making him one of the first tourists to travel to space.

"I'll make sure there's at least a dozen before me,'' he joked.

Technically, Mr Peck said, the two-seater spacecraft doesn't go into "space'' but into "weightlessness''.

"We have already got a contract to put up 35 satellites so we'll be flying at a level that you can put satellites that can stay up forever,'' he said.

"Up until now there's only been machines that go up much higher to put down satellites but it costs probably five to ten times more than we can do it.''

While Richard Branson is regarded as the pioneer when it comes to space travel, Mr Peck said his spacecraft was supposed to fly two years ago but he has had  ``rocket troubles''.

"He has a beautiful rocket machine to carry six passengers but he can't perfect the propulsion,'' he said.

"Richard Branson was charging $200,000 for a short flight and we have a much cheaper aircraft and therefore can charge a lot less.

"He's brought his prices down because of what we're offering.''

Before his flight, Mr Peck will have to undergo special training in G Forces and weightlessness.

"The idea is you will do some training - I'm not sure how much - but I won't be facing up to that for another year yet,'' he said.

"You will have to do a bit of work to be the co-pilot in case the pilot conks out.''

Mr Peck has always had an adventurous spirit, starting an aeroclub when he was 10.

He has flown on a Concorde twice and flown a Cessna himself and a North American Mustang Fighter.

He also sailed yachts competitively and spent 20 years competiting in events with the Porsche Club in Victoria.
Mr Peck said he wants to go to space "because it's there''.

"I just like doing interesting things,'' he said.

"So many people wind themselves down... They just stage themselves because of their age.

"Some say: 'I'm 75 so I now should be playing golf once or twice a week'.

"I'm not one of those fanatics that goes from one thing to another... I only started doing it (adventure) really when I got into my 70s.''

In regards to the cost, Mr Peck said $100,000 was only worth it if it was important to you.

"I suppose you have all these freaks in the world who spend a lot of money on different things and it's just because they're interested and they like to do it,'' he said.

A representative from Space Expedition Curacao is coming to Australia this week to start selling flights to the wider public.
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Re: Episode #358
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2012, 05:23:39 PM »
Thanks to everyone involved for another great episode!

Steve, just wanted to thank you for taking the "devil's advocate" position on the hearing aid story.  It seems to me that you're absolutely correct about standards of care being an economic issue.  We're making tremendous scientific advances year over year in medicine, but the costs of implementing these advances into practice can be extremely prohibitive.

It is not easy to realistically face the ways we prioritize health in economic terms, since it suggests that even life itself can have a value measurable in dollars.  (To me it seems that this is particularly evident in hospice care.)  You are a champion of reason for facing these uncomfortable and complicated truths in the light of your full rational faculty, and you are appreciated.

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Re: Episode #358
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2012, 07:37:18 PM »
That was one of my favorite episodes in a long time and I've heard every single one.   ;D

SpaceX news, nerdy physics stuff and great Science or Fiction!
Joshie Berger is the greatest guest rogue IMO - love the atheism topics and good to hear his perspective on Judaism.  Is the censorship of cuss words in response to specific feedback?  I think a good F bomb here and there spices things up nicely - Joshie is *fucking* hilarious! >:D

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Re: Episode #358
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2012, 08:32:42 PM »
Guest Rogue: Joshie Berger
This Day in Skepticism: Animalcules
News Items: TAM Poker Tournament, Space X Launch, Studying the Universe, What is Consciousness
Who's That Noisy
Your Questions and E-mails: Speaking to Mediums
Swindler's List: Hearing Aids
Science or Fiction

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Re: Episode #358
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2012, 09:40:26 PM »
I've always liked the "I could have created the universe 10 minutes ago, and you can't prove me wrong" quip.  Joshie thought it might have originated with Douglas Adams.  Does anyone know if it was Adams who first came up with this?  It wouldn't surprise me, he was a brilliant guy.
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Re: Episode #358
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2012, 09:47:53 PM »
I've always liked the "I could have created the universe 10 minutes ago, and you can't prove me wrong" quip.  Joshie thought it might have originated with Douglas Adams.  Does anyone know if it was Adams who first came up with this?  It wouldn't surprise me, he was a brilliant guy.


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Re: Episode #358
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2012, 11:20:50 PM »
I've always liked the "I could have created the universe 10 minutes ago, and you can't prove me wrong" quip.  Joshie thought it might have originated with Douglas Adams.  Does anyone know if it was Adams who first came up with this?  It wouldn't surprise me, he was a brilliant guy.


It's an old idea: Omphalos hypothesis


I have heard this basic argument so many times before. I don't get what is so appealing by it. Do you really want to live in a universe where "god" lies to you? Isn't it much easier and make more sense that the universe is what it appears to be?
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Re: Episode #358
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2012, 05:02:26 AM »
Bravo Jay, for the hearing aid insurance scam reveal. I've been hard of hearing my whole life so I know how the testing goes, done it frequently over my life. At first I was thinking by the tone you were criticizing the first way you described how things go, which is exactly how I experienced things, but when I heard the second part Oh...My....God.... that is such bullshit.

And you were so right on in talking about how integral hearing properly is to someone. I myself had for most of my life basically the wrong type of hearing aid for my situation, and what I have now is so much better. And when you have something sub-par you miss out on soooo much. I personally recall times my friends told me I miss out on dates where women totally threw out hints for me to pick up on and ask them out to this and that; have done horrid faux pas because I didn't here what was just said, it's affected my grades...and I realize I'm a young person with hearing loss, but still even old people with hearing loss likely have much to miss out on given grandchildren and etc.

Anyway congrats and thank you, and I hope this gets corrected soon. I can personally say what you mentioned is no substitute for going to an audiologist. Especially when you consider the inner ear testing, for that actually was exactly what was wrong with me, and requires specifically different treatment, and I'm sure would never have been revealed by this bullshit test.
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Re: Episode #358
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2012, 06:28:55 AM »
Crap, am I the only that was hoping for Steven to expand on how to cut costs of medical care?
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