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Offline TheDeeEm

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Mars-One
« on: Jun 07, 2012, 03:23:15 PM »
Has this been discussed? I cant find anything here

http://mars-one.com/en/

Im freegin excited as all get out.

Video here:

Mars One introduction film

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« Reply #1 on: Jun 07, 2012, 03:42:17 PM »
I've heard of this. There's nothing a reality show producer can't do! I'm rooting for them but doubt they'll get there.
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« Reply #2 on: Jun 07, 2012, 03:44:25 PM »
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Re: Mars-One
« Reply #3 on: Jun 07, 2012, 04:23:59 PM »
Don't the Dutch have to actually get someone into space before dreaming of going to Mars?
If you still hold the same views now as you did in high school, you probably should reexamine those views.

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« Reply #4 on: Jun 07, 2012, 04:37:38 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: Jun 07, 2012, 05:36:50 PM »
To words: Wubbo Ockels

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wubbo_Ockels


Sure--hitching a ride with the Americans, and not on a Dutch rocket.
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Re: Mars-One
« Reply #6 on: Jun 07, 2012, 08:13:15 PM »
First, that timeline sounds ludicrously unrealistic, despite their claims of "simplification" from other plans. That's made even worse by the fact that they haven't actually built anything, just gotten letters of interest from other companies that actually have done real things. This video has so many red flags that those flags probably have enough gravity to accrete into another red planet. I'm not sure if they're just naive or actually scamming, but they're going to have to present some much better evidence. A Nobel laureate is not sufficient to convince me that these vitamin pills are a cancer cure people are actually going to Mars.
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« Reply #7 on: Jun 08, 2012, 12:01:31 PM »
So long as the funding is there, I don't think the timeline is unrealistic.  It's earnest and challenging, but not unrealistic.  Reminds me of JFK back in the day saying get your butt to the moon.  I'm wicked excited about this!

I especially love that it will be a private enterprise -- libertarians rejoice!
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Re: Mars-One
« Reply #8 on: Jun 08, 2012, 02:09:34 PM »
It seems doable to me. It took less time to get man on the moon with a lot less know-how (nothing to copy) and a lot lower tech. They didn't have microprocessors back then. They barely had transistors.

I just think you need a few crazies with money and a sense of adventure. What a way to go!

Look at how many people climb Mount Everest every year and the number of people who have died trying something that has already been done by a guy who had no tech at all.

How long did it take to get the space station up and running? If you take the politics out of it and just made it an engineering project, which is what this would be, it would probably be on the same order.
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« Reply #9 on: Jun 08, 2012, 04:23:03 PM »
There is no indication here that they have or will have any money. We have some low-rent CG and some letters from other companies saying essentially, "Yeah, we'll sell you space stuff if you can afford it." Their plan for funding is a reality TV show. Except of course that the whole reason for the proliferation of reality TV is that studios can spend barely any money at all on them. The whole reason they are able to make money is that they have almost zero overhead. You know what has a huge overhead, far larger than any TV show's budget? A mission to Mars. The founder of this program did an AMA on Reddit and his answer to every funding question was "We will put up a FAQ on that later." In fact, that was his answer to pretty much everything, including technical questions about how they would deal with astronaut health, radiation exposure and even fuel. They have no plan at all, just a semi-attractive video with a confused-looking Nobel laureate speaking outside his area of expertise. I'm going to need some evidence that this is real. "Seems doable" by "a few crazies with money" is insufficient. Especially since I see no evidence that these crazies actually have money. This has all the hallmarks of a free energy scam.
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Re: Mars-One
« Reply #10 on: Jun 08, 2012, 04:32:46 PM »
One further point: think of all the private companies in recent years to start launching into low Earth orbit, SpaceX as an obvious example. They got our attention with launch tests and ship prototypes, then with actual ships and government contracts. These clowns got our attention with some crappy CG and some letters of interest. How is that convincing to anyone? Let's see a launch vehicle, or maybe one of those communication satellites you guys promise in that video. Or maybe a prototype of one of those modular habitat pieces. Or maybe a single piece of hardware, instead of just a lame CG rendering of some worthless letters of interest that you supposedly got from actual legitimate companies! This is vapor. This is a bigfoot photo. Worse, it's an artist's rendering of what bigfoot might look like if only you would fund his expedition so he can go and take a blurry photo. You can watch him take the photo on a reality tv show!
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Re: Mars-One
« Reply #11 on: Jun 09, 2012, 06:51:33 AM »
Hmmmm, think you're overplaying your hand a bit here. I would hazard a guess that Gerard t'Hooft is a little more than a "confused-looking nobel laureate", and probably understands the challenges a bit better than maybe you do. I'd point out that the producer of the Big Brother television program is involved as is the "chairman of both the Delft Technical University’s Astrodynamics and Space Missions faculty as the Space Engineering department". Y'know, people with relevant backgrounds?

I agree that there are technical hurdles, but sorry, this isn't the same thing as bigfoot, fake cancer cures, etc... Besides, no one's asking for your money or anything, why so serious?

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Re: Mars-One
« Reply #12 on: Jun 09, 2012, 10:53:31 AM »
Hmmmm, think you're overplaying your hand a bit here. I would hazard a guess that Gerard t'Hooft is a little more than a "confused-looking nobel laureate", and probably understands the challenges a bit better than maybe you do. I'd point out that the producer of the Big Brother television program is involved as is the "chairman of both the Delft Technical University’s Astrodynamics and Space Missions faculty as the Space Engineering department". Y'know, people with relevant backgrounds?

I agree that there are technical hurdles, but sorry, this isn't the same thing as bigfoot, fake cancer cures, etc... Besides, no one's asking for your money or anything, why so serious?

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Re: Mars-One
« Reply #13 on: Jun 09, 2012, 09:34:13 PM »
That's fair, maybe I'm beating on 't Hooft a bit unreasonably, but his field is quantum gravity and particle physics. We've seen too many Nobel laureates start talking outside their field of expertise and turn all crackpot for me to feel like he's a reliable testimonial. It's not that his endorsement is evidence against this; I'm just not ready to trust that he's evidence for it either. His testimonial is, in my opinion, a wash.

Again, they've given no evidence that they are actually doing anything. Watch the video again. The only thing they have actually done, other than make this video and a crappy website, is...well here, let me quote the video: "Mars-One paid visits to major aerospace companies around the world. In these meetings, they confirmed to us that they can supply the required equipment." They say that the reality show will center around the preparations for it. So their plan to finance this mission is that somehow, they will convince the world to spend a decade watching them test rovers and send communications satellites on a reality show. That will get enormous ratings, I'm sure. This reality show scheme doesn't work. They need billions of dollars, which a single reality show will not generate, and they need that money now, not ten years from now when they finally bring astronauts into the picture. There's no show to watch, so how exactly is this going to work?

They haven't even started the preparations, and they want to build a settlement in less than a decade? MSL/Curiosity started development 7 years ago. In just under 8 years, they claim they will have a communication satellite, a supply mission, an even larger rover and the first settlement modules. They haven't built a single thing yet, as far as I can tell.



Read the FAQ on their website. It's nothing but non-answers. Their answer to questions about radiation consist of a high-school physics introductory paragraph on what radiation is, along with a vague mention of going into a reinforced area if there is a solar "explosion." Radiation is a huge technical challenge, but that's the best they can tell us?

As for asking for money, yes they are. Maybe not mine, but they are looking for sponsors. The nice thing about sponsors is that there are far more ways to avoid giving money back to sponsors than to investors.

There are three possibilities here: 1)This is legit, but they are terrible at presenting a convincing case, 2)this is a scam, or 3)these people think they're legit, and they have all the best intentions, but they have no idea what they're doing. I'm perfectly willing to accept 3. 2 seems slightly more likely to me, and 1 is a long shot until they can at least show me a test rocket or a revenue statement. I'd love to get excited about this, but what they've shown us is nowhere near enough for me to even believe it's real, much less get excited.
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Re: Mars-One
« Reply #14 on: Jun 09, 2012, 11:12:43 PM »
What a joke.