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Why would "The Empty Tomb" be compelling to anybody
« on: Jun 08, 2012, 01:38:41 PM »
I am reading a thread on another forum where theists state what they consider compelling

One stated "The Empty Tomb"

Seems silly to me

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Re: Why would "The Empty Tomb" be compelling to anybody
« Reply #1 on: Jun 08, 2012, 01:42:44 PM »
If it was compelling, every empty tomb or gravesite would then be evidence of another resurrected deity... exhausting!
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Re: Why would "The Empty Tomb" be compelling to anybody
« Reply #2 on: Jun 08, 2012, 01:54:33 PM »
It's like saying an empty hat is proof that you can magically make a rabbit disappear.

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Re: Why would "The Empty Tomb" be compelling to anybody
« Reply #3 on: Jun 09, 2012, 08:58:35 AM »
It is compelling because they want it to be so. 

A woman I work with is newly "born again" and is soaking up the Bible right now.  Another person I work with is a Preacher and she talks so excitedly to him almost every day about what she has read in the Bible.  Yesterday she was going on and on to him about what a miracle the Exodus was and all the people "suffered" in the 40 years lost in the wilderness.  She wants to believe that this stuff happened.  She does not think about the myriad rational absurdities of the story.  Nor does she want to, she just wants to believe.  Which is one of the many reasons I just keep my mouth shut when I hear them talking.  I am not fighting a losing cause at my work.   

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Re: Why would "The Empty Tomb" be compelling to anybody
« Reply #4 on: Jun 09, 2012, 09:59:56 AM »
It is compelling because they want it to be so. 

A woman I work with is newly "born again" and is soaking up the Bible right now.  Another person I work with is a Preacher and she talks so excitedly to him almost every day about what she has read in the Bible.  Yesterday she was going on and on to him about what a miracle the Exodus was and all the people "suffered" in the 40 years lost in the wilderness.  She wants to believe that this stuff happened.  She does not think about the myriad rational absurdities of the story.  Nor does she want to, she just wants to believe.  Which is one of the many reasons I just keep my mouth shut when I hear them talking.  I am not fighting a losing cause at my work.

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It's compelling case closed done deal for those who already believe, for the rest of us it's and what is that supposed to show again?
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Re: Why would "The Empty Tomb" be compelling to anybody
« Reply #5 on: Jun 09, 2012, 10:40:25 AM »
For believers, any possible naturalistic explanation for the empty tomb is less plausible than the supernatural explanation:

http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/garyhabermas.htm

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The only justification for a resurrection is because God could do it, but man could not....

The resurrection is not an isolated event but part of the "big picture" theistic world view. The fact that God raised Jesus is extraordinary and one of a kind. It shows Jesus is who he says He is. He's alive. God is working in other ways too.


From the believer's perspective, nonbelievers willfully ignore the strong evidence that a miracle did in fact occur, in favor of convoluted & unlikely naturalistic explanations.

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Re: Why would "The Empty Tomb" be compelling to anybody
« Reply #6 on: Jun 09, 2012, 10:49:58 AM »
The human brain has evolved in a way that it embraces corroborating and dismisses contradictory evidence. We do this without even knowing that we are behaving in such a manner. This is most evident when you are watching a sports game with two fans of the opposing teams. Both people will claim that the refs are against their team and each see a penalty a different way.

Scientists have known this for years which is why they try to do double blind experiments.
common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.

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Re: Why would "The Empty Tomb" be compelling to anybody
« Reply #7 on: Jun 09, 2012, 10:59:19 AM »
It is compelling because they want it to be so. 
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A woman I work with is newly "born again" and is soaking up the Bible right now.  Another person I work with is a Preacher and she talks so excitedly to him almost every day about what she has read in the Bible.  Yesterday she was going on and on to him about what a miracle the Exodus was and all the people "suffered" in the 40 years lost in the wilderness.  She wants to believe that this stuff happened.  She does not think about the myriad rational absurdities of the story.  Nor does she want to, she just wants to believe.  Which is one of the many reasons I just keep my mouth shut when I hear them talking.  I am not fighting a losing cause at my work.
I've never figured this out, even with god on your side, it takes 40years to get from egypt to palestine.  Seems like god was just screwing with them at that point.

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Re: Why would "The Empty Tomb" be compelling to anybody
« Reply #8 on: Jun 09, 2012, 12:09:14 PM »
It is compelling because they want it to be so. 
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A woman I work with is newly "born again" and is soaking up the Bible right now.  Another person I work with is a Preacher and she talks so excitedly to him almost every day about what she has read in the Bible.  Yesterday she was going on and on to him about what a miracle the Exodus was and all the people "suffered" in the 40 years lost in the wilderness.  She wants to believe that this stuff happened.  She does not think about the myriad rational absurdities of the story.  Nor does she want to, she just wants to believe.  Which is one of the many reasons I just keep my mouth shut when I hear them talking.  I am not fighting a losing cause at my work.
I've never figured this out, even with god on your side, it takes 40years to get from egypt to palestine.  Seems like god was just screwing with them at that point.


I believe it was because of Moses' pride.


Any rate, never talk religion at work. Just.. don't.

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Re: Why would "The Empty Tomb" be compelling to anybody
« Reply #9 on: Jun 09, 2012, 12:58:55 PM »
Didn't Jesus' family travel to Egypt in like a day?

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Re: Why would "The Empty Tomb" be compelling to anybody
« Reply #10 on: Jun 09, 2012, 01:48:35 PM »
200 or so miles. 

600,000+ people.

40 Year Trip.

You decide. 
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Re: Why would "The Empty Tomb" be compelling to anybody
« Reply #11 on: Jun 09, 2012, 04:58:15 PM »
Any rate, never talk religion at work. Just.. don't.

I will answer questions but I keep it very low key just saying "I just don't believe."
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Re: Why would "The Empty Tomb" be compelling to anybody
« Reply #12 on: Jun 10, 2012, 03:53:40 AM »
Need to believe, in answer to OP.
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Re: Why would "The Empty Tomb" be compelling to anybody
« Reply #13 on: Jun 10, 2012, 05:01:28 PM »
I don't understand how anything inside the book is cited as evidence the book is true.

It's like saying the fact there was a stump for the old man to sit on is proof that the Giving Tree really did talk.
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Re: Why would "The Empty Tomb" be compelling to anybody
« Reply #14 on: Jun 10, 2012, 05:22:57 PM »
If you look at the historic effort to try to prove that the Jewish Kings are real, I would say it is more that people are looking at any outside evidence of the bible being true.
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