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Re: Culture of Fear
« Reply #30 on: Jun 11, 2012, 02:11:15 AM »
IIRC the movie "Bowling for Columbine" describes America's culture of fear quite well.  Watched the movie a long time ago now so I can't remember the specifics, but I do remember it analysing the perceived danger people have and why they have it
I watched Bowling for Columbine when I was a teenager. It seemed to me then to have exaggerated a few things, and since Moore has done a few more documentaries, I don't think he's convinced me that he's not a part of the fear-making media. I haven't watched any of his recent documentaries, and I'm hesitant to. I should, though, if only for the exercise.

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Re: Culture of Fear
« Reply #31 on: Jun 11, 2012, 12:23:26 PM »
I don't find Moore scary. For something to scare me, it has to have some basis in reality. :)
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Re: Culture of Fear
« Reply #32 on: Jun 11, 2012, 12:42:13 PM »
Moore:  yet an other person where I sometimes agree with what he says, but how he says it makes me cringe horribly.  I don't trust anything that comes out of his mouth, even when I think it's right.
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Re: Culture of Fear
« Reply #33 on: Jun 11, 2012, 01:26:09 PM »
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Yikes! Talk about fear! I work afternoons. On my way home, the freeway is mostly empty. I drive 70 - 75 mph (70 is the limit where I live). Sometimes a group of people (I do not know how many) pass me on bikes like that (I think) going so fast I do not hear or see them until they are in front of me. No way I can safely change lanes when they are on the road going THAT fast!
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Re: Culture of Fear
« Reply #34 on: Jun 11, 2012, 01:36:36 PM »
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Yikes! Talk about fear! I work afternoons. On my way home, the freeway is mostly empty. I drive 70 - 75 mph (70 is the limit where I live). Sometimes a group of people (I do not know how many) pass me on bikes like that (I think) going so fast I do not hear or see them until they are in front of me. No way I can safely change lanes when they are on the road going THAT fast!

Good memories. Nah, if they're out there being idiots, it's their responsibility (as long as you use your indicators and keep your eyes open like you would for any other traffic).

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Re: Culture of Fear
« Reply #35 on: Jun 11, 2012, 02:16:29 PM »
After going 1+ year without TV, I find local news utterly unwatchable.  I saw about 15 seconds after a program I was watching ended and it was just some breathless moron with big hair belting out as many allusions to dangers and turmoil as she could before the camera finished zooming in.  It was surreal.

I have no idea why people watch it.  I can't really remember why I would but I think it was literally as simple as directing my attention at whatever was salient enough.  I know I didn't think that then but with the passage of time comes distance and the opportunity for insight.  It's an approach suited to passive media consumers.
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Re: Culture of Fear
« Reply #36 on: Jun 11, 2012, 03:30:35 PM »
I saw something quite encouraging recently on my local news station. I live in Florida where the housing market tanked then crashed and burned then the leftover atoms imploded leaving tiny black holes that suck up money. Anyway you get the picture. Our local news station out of West Palm Beach has been having free seminars, call centers, and regular stories trying to help people who might be in trouble with their mortgages. They offer free consultations with lawyers and experts and have people tell their own success stories that might help someone else. I think it is a more constructive exercise than just reporting how bad it is.
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Re: Culture of Fear
« Reply #37 on: Jun 11, 2012, 04:11:13 PM »
I saw something quite encouraging recently on my local news station. I live in Florida where the housing market tanked then crashed and burned then the leftover atoms imploded leaving tiny black holes that suck up money. Anyway you get the picture. Our local news station out of West Palm Beach has been having free seminars, call centers, and regular stories trying to help people who might be in trouble with their mortgages. They offer free consultations with lawyers and experts and have people tell their own success stories that might help someone else. I think it is a more constructive exercise than just reporting how bad it is.


Agreed. Some where along the line journalism decided to back Hurst all the way. It's sucked since.


I think some blogs and twitter are better news sources than the professional 5th estate. Hell, Jon Stewart does a better job than any news source right now and he is a comedian, but he doesn't have fake parity in the news and he interjects common sense into stories to anchor risks.

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Re: Culture of Fear
« Reply #38 on: Jun 11, 2012, 04:16:13 PM »
It makes sense, though, as satire plays off reality.  News is based on what the viewer wants. 
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Re: Culture of Fear
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Re: Culture of Fear
« Reply #40 on: Jun 13, 2012, 02:17:11 AM »
It's certainly a lot easier with guns and information on homemade bombs, but I don't know that having easier access to these things really makes a difference.
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Re: Culture of Fear
« Reply #41 on: Jun 13, 2012, 07:18:51 AM »
Didn't they have a guest on the SGU that talked about human's having flawed risk analysis? He made the analogy of a mother being afraid of her kid being kidnapped (low probability of risk) but let her kids ride bikes without helmets (high probability risk). I think fundamentally, humans don't have a firm grasp of what to be afraid of and when.

It's hard to think rationally when your amygdala is screaming and your adrenal glands are dumping a shit ton of adrenaline into your bloodstream.

Yup. We are all stuck with the elements of our psychology evolution has left us with. The media (news, commercials, movies, everything) takes full advantage in order to sell product. They are getting better every decade. They will keep it up until we figure out exactly what's going in our heads and why, how exactly it might be bad, and how to overcome those shortcomings in a moral way. In other words, probably forever.

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Re: Culture of Fear
« Reply #42 on: Jun 13, 2012, 11:59:16 AM »
Re: DeepGlue - There's also the element of culture so it's not quite so intractable.  I stopped watching TV for almost a year and the nightly news' registers no longer as appropriately salient but instead as intolerably stupid.
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Re: Culture of Fear
« Reply #43 on: Jun 13, 2012, 12:23:48 PM »
The book I'm currently reading, Popular Crime by Bill James, points to a couple incidents in the mid-60s - the Texas clocktower incident was one of them - that kicked off the whole mass murder thing. Before then, yeah, there really weren't a lot of them. That's a little problematic though because

a. A big part of that was that before the 1920s most people didn't live so close together, and
b. A *lot* of crime, even homicides, especially homicides, went unreported before the Second World War.

I think I have a pretty good handle on what life was like in the USA 100 years ago and although I can't point to any stats, I am almost positive that not only were crime rates higher (homicide rates too), but they were a *lot* higher, exponentially higher than today. If someone during that time started killing prostitutes or hoboes it was virtually impossible to determine whodunit, let alone convict that person, and so police generally didn't even bother to investigate those cases. Likewise, cases involving gangs, and the big cities had gangs that dwarf the ones we have today. This is also an environment when a woman who carried typhoid fever could infect a dozen people, get found out and quarantined and then go right back out and find several other jobs as a cook, infecting dozens more and killing Lord knows how many of them in the process. At around this time, someone walked into a bakery, poisoned a bunch of pies, killing at least one woman, and was never caught. Really, I think that the old policeman's saw that the vast majority of homicides are committed by people you know came into being because of this - at the time, the only time they could ever actually catch anybody is if they were somehow related to the victim.

It's often said that scandals respresent an increase in morality rather than a decrease in it and I think this is no exception. 100 years ago if a white Hispanic had shot and killed a black kid for carrying a packet of Skittles and an ice tea, nobody would have thought anything about it, and if you pointed out that the local police were dragging their feet in prosecuting the case, you'd probably be laughed at. Scott Peterson probably would have gotten away scot-free without a body and few outside of Laci Peterson's family would have batted an eye at this. Cases like these make the papers nowadays because of their extreme unacceptability.

That being said, there were some high-profile mass murders before the 60s...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers

One that's not listed for some reason was a case in I think the 1920s where a school official set off a bomb in the school he worked at, causing it to collapse and killing many of the children inside. When the authorities went to his house to apprehend him, they found him sitting in his car, which was rigged to explode as well.
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Re: Culture of Fear
« Reply #44 on: Jun 13, 2012, 01:47:31 PM »
Re: DeepGlue - There's also the element of culture so it's not quite so intractable.  I stopped watching TV for almost a year and the nightly news' registers no longer as appropriately salient but instead as intolerably stupid.

Point taken. Culture is very powerful and, as Johnny just pointed out, does change over time. While I'd argue that default human psychology makes it an uphill battle, on whole we are still heading uphill. Although temporary changes of course happen all the time.