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 Most educated Christians (including the late great Pope John Paul) have no problem reconciling Evolution with their belief in God by postulating just what Michael says above, i.e., God started the whole thing and Evolution just describes the rules under which the change with time progresses. For Fundamentalists, however, that's not good enough. They feel compelled to deny the whole process, which is absurd given all the cross-verifying chains of evidence. I think their objection can basically be distilled down to one element; the cry of "We did NOT come from apes!!!" . I recently read an account of the origins of racism in the South, and I think it is very telling that most of this fundamentalist opposition to evolution occurs in the South. The idea is that southern whites told themselves that black people were essentially a seperate creation, from apes and monkeys. That way it was okay to own other human beings, since they were "quasi-human" at best. (I'm not making this up; it is what southern preachers taught their white congregations for generations, and what many rednecks still believe to this day, although they won't admit it outside their own circles). To this day, one of the most offensive epithets a redneck can call a black person is a monkey. Therefore, their racism demands that they must NEVER admit to such a "demeaning" and common origin for themselves as for the object of their racism. Darwinism says white people and black people came from the same line; this is horrific to the white southern man. Therefore, although it is couched in religious terms, I believe the real root cause of Bible Belt anti-evolution is racism, not religion.
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Re: The real objection to Evolution is not religious, but racist.
« Reply #1 on: Jun 11, 2012, 12:29:01 PM »
This is basically the argument from ignorance but, I've haven't heard any one claim that the different races of man do not have a common ancestor.  I think the mark of Cane idea seams far more common.  I suspect people want to believe we are special and don't like the idea that they might be descended from monkeys.  I don't doubt the root cause is racism or religion.  Religion definitely reinforces the idea though. 


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Re: The real objection to Evolution is not religious, but racist.
« Reply #2 on: Jun 11, 2012, 12:31:54 PM »
I know that there was for a time this theory that each race of man was descended from a different ape/monkey (orangutans, chimps, gorrilas, etc).  Not sure how widely accepted it was though.
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Re: The real objection to Evolution is not religious, but racist.
« Reply #3 on: Jun 11, 2012, 01:39:28 PM »
Beyond "we all come from apes," there's the whole "we are all African" idea that comes direct from anthropology.
That can't sit well with these ol' boys either.
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Re: The real objection to Evolution is not religious, but racist.
« Reply #4 on: Jun 11, 2012, 01:45:55 PM »
Years ago, I was talking to a coworker. . . I was not an atheist at the time but I certainly believed that evolution

He was white as a reference point. We got to talking and I said that we all evolved from black people. His comment was something like "How do we know that white people did not just appear?" I might be misremembering him but it was something like that. Being how close we are genetically, the argument floored me.

I also have had people, both white and black, state "I am not related to any Monkey / Ape"
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Re: The real objection to Evolution is not religious, but racist.
« Reply #5 on: Jun 11, 2012, 01:55:33 PM »
I also have had people, both white and black, state "I am not related to any Monkey / Ape"
Purely anecdotal I know but this is the objection I've heard most and most forcefully stated.  I really think that most people who don't accept evolution just don't like being apes and most everything else is just rationalization. 

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Re: The real objection to Evolution is not religious, but racist.
« Reply #6 on: Jun 11, 2012, 02:05:16 PM »
I will cheerily say "I am a Monkey" based on Aronra's description

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Re: The real objection to Evolution is not religious, but racist.
« Reply #7 on: Jun 11, 2012, 03:14:05 PM »
While racism might be a reason for some of the more extremist Christians out there, I think the biggest reason I've heard from creationists has more to do with this idea that humans are superior to animals and should dominate the planet and an anti-environmentalist attitude in general moreso than they think whites are superior to blacks.  I've heard more creationists try to claim that evolution is a racist theory and this is one of their reasons for objecting to it.  At least that awful movie Expelled tried to claim evolution was rooted in antisemitism. 

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Re: The real objection to Evolution is not religious, but racist.
« Reply #8 on: Jun 11, 2012, 11:07:30 PM »
I find that even from many who are not religious, they have trouble accepting that we are actually monkeys
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Re: The real objection to Evolution is not religious, but racist.
« Reply #9 on: Jun 13, 2012, 12:35:18 PM »
I've gotten the impression it's a matter of the congruency of the idea with the social context.  Most people don't care enough about science/details of reality to care beyond how it affects their social lives.  Evolution is just pointing the wrong direction - it's got the wrong salience.  I think that's it.  I doubt it's racism for most.
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Re: The real objection to Evolution is not religious, but racist.
« Reply #10 on: Jun 13, 2012, 02:47:27 PM »
I refuse to admit that I am related to primordial ooze. Mostly because it is lazy, stinks, and is a burden to society.
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Re: The real objection to Evolution is not religious, but racist.
« Reply #11 on: Jun 13, 2012, 03:25:42 PM »
Didn't the biblical creattion have God make Man from dirt? 
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Re: The real objection to Evolution is not religious, but racist.
« Reply #12 on: Jun 17, 2012, 10:54:59 AM »
I believe "Onision" from YouTube made this same argument.
Sort of nullifies its validity entirely to me.

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Re: The real objection to Evolution is not religious, but racist.
« Reply #13 on: Jun 18, 2012, 10:54:50 AM »
Nope.  Evolution is used as the basis of eugenics.  The notion of the soul is the justification for all people being equal.  Racism (as you're describing it) is much more pragmatic and less idealistic than that though.  "These people are poor and get caught up in crime, so stay away from them."  It's got more in common with notions of purity and cleanliness than being traced back to biblical origins.  Well except for Mormonism until a couple decades ago, but that's another story.

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Re: The real objection to Evolution is not religious, but racist.
« Reply #14 on: Jun 18, 2012, 11:04:39 AM »
Didn't the biblical creattion have God make Man from dirt?

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