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Beginner weight lifting
« on: Jun 12, 2012, 05:32:57 PM »
I've always enjoyed weight lifting, and I've been sort of half-assing it for a year now.  I've done some looking around, and wanted to move into the 5 reps x 5 sets, but I don't think I'm doing it very well.  I hate trying to dig through the internets for accurate information on strength building.  One book that keeps getting passed around the Lady Lifters on Fitocracy is Starting Strength.  Is any one here familiar with this, or any other books for the beginner?
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Re: Beginner weight lifting
« Reply #1 on: Jun 13, 2012, 09:42:36 AM »
One of the things I've noticed with people trying to do a 5 X 5 program is a tendency to try incorporate exercises that can be done high rep into this kind of workout scheme.  The 5 x 5 routine is designed to be a strength building program and though I can't be sure he was the first to do it, it was made popular by Bill Starr's "The Strongest Shall Survive: Strength Training for Football", written in 1976.  The original routine made use of the "Big Three" exercises: Bench Press, Squats, and Power Cleans.  There have been several variations of the routine, and sometimes Deadlifts are substituted for Power Cleans.  Here is an example of Starr's Beginner Routine:

Bill Starr’s Beginner 5×5

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One thing to keep in mind using 5 x 5 routines is that all 5 reps should be smooth and high quality.  You don't want to lift so heavy that it is a struggle to get the weight up.  You also don't want to lift so light that you can end up doing 10 reps.  This usually means working at about 80% of your one rep maximum for that particular exercise. 

As I also mentioned above, where I see people running into problems is they try to apply the 5 x 5 to exercises that are typically assistance exercises - lateral raises, chest flyes, bicep curls.  Using such a heavy weight for these exercises is asking for an injury. 

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Re: Beginner weight lifting
« Reply #2 on: Jun 13, 2012, 09:51:44 AM »
Cool that you want to get into it more seriously. I get so much enjoyment and satisfaction out of weightlifting; the physical* part of life is so unavoidably major, I don't know why more people don't prioritize maximizing their physical ability. Life's so much more comfortable on a few different levels when you do.

As for specific reading material, I've never done 5x5, and it's been over a decade since I got into it, so I don't have much to offer. I pretty much read everything I could get my hands and mouse pointer on.



* As opposed to the mental, which I think is probably a false dichotomy, but you get my drift.

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Re: Beginner weight lifting
« Reply #3 on: Jun 13, 2012, 10:11:37 AM »
Starting strength is awesome. The book focuses on the biomechanics of the lifts and makes a scientific case that compound lifts like the squat/bench press/deadlift are the best excersises to quickly increase the size and strength of a beginner.

Without a set linear weekly progression of either weight/reps a beginners will just spin their wheels. I wasted a year strictly following P90x, including the diet, and just ended up losing weight and benching only 135lbs as an adult male.

In ~5 months SS took my strength from:
Bench: 100lbs --> 195lbs
Squat: 45lbs --> 225lbs
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Re: Beginner weight lifting
« Reply #4 on: Jun 13, 2012, 10:43:22 AM »
Thanks!

I downloaded a free book from stronglifts.com .  English is not the guy's first language, the book is extremely wordy and talks about things I don't really care about, and is obviously written thinking a woman would never want to lay eyes on this stuff.  The core seems solid, though, and his program is a lot like Bill Star's.  It sounds like I'll enjoy the Starting Strength book a lot more, especially since I'm sure my squat form is shit.

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Re: Beginner weight lifting
« Reply #5 on: Jun 13, 2012, 10:46:12 AM »
That's a laudable goal, Karyn!

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Re: Beginner weight lifting
« Reply #6 on: Jun 13, 2012, 11:21:59 AM »
Thanks!

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I can't wait to bench press my boyfriend.

You'll have to start with the cat...  ;)
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Re: Beginner weight lifting
« Reply #7 on: Jun 13, 2012, 11:23:40 AM »
I'm pretty sure I can bench press our 12 lb cat :)
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Re: Beginner weight lifting
« Reply #8 on: Jun 13, 2012, 11:32:32 AM »
But will he let you?

After all, he's an independent lion, not a mewling kitten.
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Re: Beginner weight lifting
« Reply #9 on: Jun 13, 2012, 12:02:12 PM »
Thanks!

I downloaded a free book from stronglifts.com .  English is not the guy's first language, the book is extremely wordy and talks about things I don't really care about, and is obviously written thinking a woman would never want to lay eyes on this stuff.  The core seems solid, though, and his program is a lot like Bill Star's.  It sounds like I'll enjoy the Starting Strength book a lot more, especially since I'm sure my squat form is shit.

I can't wait to bench press my boyfriend.


Hey, if you're worried about squat form, you could do worse than checking out this series of vids on YT (originally posted by Karirafn in my Unusual Exercises Worth Knowing thread).

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Re: Beginner weight lifting
« Reply #10 on: Jun 13, 2012, 03:18:17 PM »
Thanks!

I downloaded a free book from stronglifts.com .  English is not the guy's first language, the book is extremely wordy and talks about things I don't really care about, and is obviously written thinking a woman would never want to lay eyes on this stuff.  The core seems solid, though, and his program is a lot like Bill Star's.  It sounds like I'll enjoy the Starting Strength book a lot more, especially since I'm sure my squat form is shit.

I can't wait to bench press my boyfriend.
Even if you insist on doing a Starting Strength style 5x5 rather than the true SS 3x5 scheme, get the Starting Strength book and DVD.

And get a coach or find someone who knows what they're doing to help with form. I watched 47928347 squat videos online and thought I knew what I was doing until I had an olympic weightlifting coach give me some physical cues and fix my form in 30 minutes.
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Re: Beginner weight lifting
« Reply #11 on: Jun 13, 2012, 03:44:45 PM »
I love lifting heavy, and I don't find anything more empowering than seriously pushing my strength to the limit.

Be slightly careful with heavy bench, many a man has trashed his shoulders/rotator cuff with flat bench.

I freaking love dead lifts, just wait till you start lifting heavy with these.


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Re: Beginner weight lifting
« Reply #12 on: Jun 13, 2012, 06:42:48 PM »
Dead lifts rule. I love squats and deads. I have been doing 5x5 since Nov. I think it is the best way to go Karen. Just lift as heavy as you can and keep the best form you can. Form is key.
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Re: Beginner weight lifting
« Reply #13 on: Jun 16, 2012, 08:22:27 PM »
Thanks!


I can't wait to bench press my boyfriend.

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Re: Beginner weight lifting
« Reply #14 on: Jun 17, 2012, 01:08:12 AM »
I am 25. I can easily bench that.
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