Topic: Protein Intake

[Plastique]

For a hard training person trying to gain muscle, what's the current science regarding the recommended daily minimum amount of protein to support growth and take care of bodily maintenance?

I haven't read anything about this for a while, and what I have read about it throughout the years has been littered with a lot of bro-science.

[Samhain]

I haven't come across anything as of late either.  It used to be 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight.  Then I heard 1 gram per kilogram of bodyweight.  Then I heard 1 gram per pound of lean mass.  I haven't really bothered to keep track of how much protein I've been putting in for years and have still been good with the gains.  I usually do a whey protein shake right after a workout, mostly because it's convenient, and I usually don't feel like eating for a while after I'm done. I also put a scoop of casein protein in my morning smoothie because it seems to keep me full for most of the morning.  So while I don't track protein intake, I guess I know that with the protein powder and the meat I get from my meals that I'm probably getting enough.

As an aside, I enjoy reading some of the uncensored interviews with professional bodybuilders because I'm amazed at the abuse they put themselves through.  Greg Kovacs, who at one time was billed as the world's largest bodybuilder, tipping the scale at 400 pounds, once said he would put down 1000 grams of protein per day.  As another aside, in an interview with another bodybuilder, he claimed Kovacs was so big he couldn't wipe his own butt and had to get his girlfriend to do it. 

[Plastique]

I haven't come across anything as of late either.  It used to be 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight.  Then I heard 1 gram per kilogram of bodyweight.  Then I heard 1 gram per pound of lean mass.

Haha, yup, heard the same shit.

As an aside, I enjoy reading some of the uncensored interviews with professional bodybuilders because I'm amazed at the abuse they put themselves through.  Greg Kovacs, who at one time was billed as the world's largest bodybuilder, tipping the scale at 400 pounds, once said he would put down 1000 grams of protein per day.  As another aside, in an interview with another bodybuilder, he claimed Kovacs was so big he couldn't wipe his own butt and had to get his girlfriend to do it.

Yeah, Kovacs' daily caloric intake was fucking outrageous. Simply existing must have been so uncomfortable for him, partly from the huge body (those really big guys can barely walk up steps without running out of puff), and partly from being stuffed to the gills with food all the time.

I stood next to Ronnie Coleman in his prime, and it was surreal. In clothes he looked obese, and in posing trunks he looked like he was wearing a rubber muscle suit. There were a few other pros around at the time (Cormier for one), and no one else had that same eye-popping level of development.

[Samhain]

I haven't come across anything as of late either.  It used to be 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight.  Then I heard 1 gram per kilogram of bodyweight.  Then I heard 1 gram per pound of lean mass.

Haha, yup, heard the same shit.

As an aside, I enjoy reading some of the uncensored interviews with professional bodybuilders because I'm amazed at the abuse they put themselves through.  Greg Kovacs, who at one time was billed as the world's largest bodybuilder, tipping the scale at 400 pounds, once said he would put down 1000 grams of protein per day.  As another aside, in an interview with another bodybuilder, he claimed Kovacs was so big he couldn't wipe his own butt and had to get his girlfriend to do it.

Yeah, Kovacs' daily caloric intake was fucking outrageous. Simply existing must have been so uncomfortable for him, partly from the huge body (those really big guys can barely walk up steps without running out of puff), and partly from being stuffed to the gills with food all the time.

I stood next to Ronnie Coleman in his prime, and it was surreal. In clothes he looked obese, and in posing trunks he looked like he was wearing a rubber muscle suit. There were a few other pros around at the time (Cormier for one), and no one else had that same eye-popping level of development.

Coleman definitely took things to a whole other level.  I always wondered how he was able to continue being a police officer with the amount of steroids he had to be putting into himself. 

[Plastique]

I haven't come across anything as of late either.  It used to be 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight.  Then I heard 1 gram per kilogram of bodyweight.  Then I heard 1 gram per pound of lean mass.

Haha, yup, heard the same shit.

As an aside, I enjoy reading some of the uncensored interviews with professional bodybuilders because I'm amazed at the abuse they put themselves through.  Greg Kovacs, who at one time was billed as the world's largest bodybuilder, tipping the scale at 400 pounds, once said he would put down 1000 grams of protein per day.  As another aside, in an interview with another bodybuilder, he claimed Kovacs was so big he couldn't wipe his own butt and had to get his girlfriend to do it.

Yeah, Kovacs' daily caloric intake was fucking outrageous. Simply existing must have been so uncomfortable for him, partly from the huge body (those really big guys can barely walk up steps without running out of puff), and partly from being stuffed to the gills with food all the time.

I stood next to Ronnie Coleman in his prime, and it was surreal. In clothes he looked obese, and in posing trunks he looked like he was wearing a rubber muscle suit. There were a few other pros around at the time (Cormier for one), and no one else had that same eye-popping level of development.

Coleman definitely took things to a whole other level.  I always wondered how he was able to continue being a police officer with the amount of steroids he had to be putting into himself.

Do you think that's hypocritical?

[Samhain]

I haven't come across anything as of late either.  It used to be 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight.  Then I heard 1 gram per kilogram of bodyweight.  Then I heard 1 gram per pound of lean mass.

Haha, yup, heard the same shit.

As an aside, I enjoy reading some of the uncensored interviews with professional bodybuilders because I'm amazed at the abuse they put themselves through.  Greg Kovacs, who at one time was billed as the world's largest bodybuilder, tipping the scale at 400 pounds, once said he would put down 1000 grams of protein per day.  As another aside, in an interview with another bodybuilder, he claimed Kovacs was so big he couldn't wipe his own butt and had to get his girlfriend to do it.

Yeah, Kovacs' daily caloric intake was fucking outrageous. Simply existing must have been so uncomfortable for him, partly from the huge body (those really big guys can barely walk up steps without running out of puff), and partly from being stuffed to the gills with food all the time.

I stood next to Ronnie Coleman in his prime, and it was surreal. In clothes he looked obese, and in posing trunks he looked like he was wearing a rubber muscle suit. There were a few other pros around at the time (Cormier for one), and no one else had that same eye-popping level of development.

Coleman definitely took things to a whole other level.  I always wondered how he was able to continue being a police officer with the amount of steroids he had to be putting into himself.

Do you think that's hypocritical?

The fact he was taking steroids for bodybuilding doesn't bother me.  Those guys are all on the same playing field and are all grown adults that can make their own choices.  Ronnie was Mr. Olympia and a police officer at the same time and as it is common knowledge these guys are using steroids, I found it odd that no one in his department thought to bust him for it. 

As for it being hypocritical......if he was arresting and charging people with possession of illegal substances...then yes.  Funny, I never even really thought of that until you brought it up. 

[Plastique]

I haven't come across anything as of late either.  It used to be 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight.  Then I heard 1 gram per kilogram of bodyweight.  Then I heard 1 gram per pound of lean mass.

Haha, yup, heard the same shit.

As an aside, I enjoy reading some of the uncensored interviews with professional bodybuilders because I'm amazed at the abuse they put themselves through.  Greg Kovacs, who at one time was billed as the world's largest bodybuilder, tipping the scale at 400 pounds, once said he would put down 1000 grams of protein per day.  As another aside, in an interview with another bodybuilder, he claimed Kovacs was so big he couldn't wipe his own butt and had to get his girlfriend to do it.

Yeah, Kovacs' daily caloric intake was fucking outrageous. Simply existing must have been so uncomfortable for him, partly from the huge body (those really big guys can barely walk up steps without running out of puff), and partly from being stuffed to the gills with food all the time.

I stood next to Ronnie Coleman in his prime, and it was surreal. In clothes he looked obese, and in posing trunks he looked like he was wearing a rubber muscle suit. There were a few other pros around at the time (Cormier for one), and no one else had that same eye-popping level of development.

Coleman definitely took things to a whole other level.  I always wondered how he was able to continue being a police officer with the amount of steroids he had to be putting into himself.

Do you think that's hypocritical?

The fact he was taking steroids for bodybuilding doesn't bother me.  Those guys are all on the same playing field and are all grown adults that can make their own choices.  Ronnie was Mr. Olympia and a police officer at the same time and as it is common knowledge these guys are using steroids, I found it odd that no one in his department thought to bust him for it. 

As for it being hypocritical......if he was arresting and charging people with possession of illegal substances...then yes.  Funny, I never even really thought of that until you brought it up.

Yeah, I see it as pretty unimportant in the scheme of things. Mind you, he's always maintained he was "natural" (unless my memory's off), which was pretty lame. Actually, all told, he's a bit of a simpleton. If you watch any of his vids, it's pretty clear there's not a huge amount of activity upstairs. He's super-religious, too. But I think his physique is the best we've seen up to this point.

[Samhain]

There was a period of time when all the professionals claimed they were natural and used only protein powders and the Weider methods.  Nowadays some of them will admit what cycle and stacks they are doing.

Didn't know he was a bit of a simpleton.  Interesting.   

[Plastique]

There was a period of time when all the professionals claimed they were natural and used only protein powders and the Weider methods.  Nowadays some of them will admit what cycle and stacks they are doing.

Quite a few are open about it, to some degree or another, anyway. I've heard some go into great detail about cycles and all the specifics, and some will just acknowledge it and move on (Jay Cutler, for instance).

Didn't know he was a bit of a simpleton.  Interesting.

To be fair, maybe I should just say that he comes across that way on his vids.

[WC]

Tatyana always knows.