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Re: Non-Readers (No Book Spoilers) Game of Thrones TV Show Thread
« Reply #60 on: Jul 06, 2012, 04:19:39 PM »
Question:  is anyone not rooting for Dany?

I don't like her much.  She's pretty whiny, and just sort of expects to get her way.

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Re: Non-Readers (No Book Spoilers) Game of Thrones TV Show Thread
« Reply #61 on: Jul 06, 2012, 05:05:11 PM »
Question:  is anyone not rooting for Dany?

I don't like her much.  She's pretty whiny, and just sort of expects to get her way.

Hmmmm... Perhaps.  I took that as more of owning the role of Queen and nit letting anyone give her any shit.

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Re: Non-Readers (No Book Spoilers) Game of Thrones TV Show Thread
« Reply #62 on: Jul 06, 2012, 05:52:14 PM »
Just powered through seasons 1 and 2 and damn this is my new favorite show.  Reading the first book now too and I'm hooked on that as well.  I've also got my wife hooked on it (she NEVER likes what I like), my in-laws. my in-laws' coworkers, and more hooked on it as well.  Personally, I'm rooting for a Dany/Tyrion hook-up to rule the 7 kingdoms.
I've been doing the opposite and I've been trying to read the books before watching the corresponding seasons.  Do you find the books to be as enjoyable if you've already seen the same events in the TV show?

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Re: Non-Readers (No Book Spoilers) Game of Thrones TV Show Thread
« Reply #63 on: Jul 06, 2012, 05:55:57 PM »
Just powered through seasons 1 and 2 and damn this is my new favorite show.  Reading the first book now too and I'm hooked on that as well.  I've also got my wife hooked on it (she NEVER likes what I like), my in-laws. my in-laws' coworkers, and more hooked on it as well.  Personally, I'm rooting for a Dany/Tyrion hook-up to rule the 7 kingdoms.
I've been doing the opposite and I've been trying to read the books before watching the corresponding seasons.  Do you find the books to be as enjoyable if you've already seen the same events in the TV show?

So far, yes.  Perhaps mores.  I find that watching the show really helped me keep track of who is who in the very complicated books so far.  It's probably because I'm better with faces than names though.  The books are now adding depth to what I watched in the show as well, which I really like.

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Re: Non-Readers (No Book Spoilers) Game of Thrones TV Show Thread
« Reply #64 on: Jul 06, 2012, 06:34:41 PM »
One of my fears was that the books and the TV show would be so similar to each other, especially with the first season, that the book would feel redundant to read and would lose that replay value if I already knew all the twists that were going to happen.

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Re: Non-Readers (No Book Spoilers) Game of Thrones TV Show Thread
« Reply #65 on: Jul 06, 2012, 06:48:52 PM »
One of my fears was that the books and the TV show would be so similar to each other, especially with the first season, that the book would feel redundant to read and would lose that replay value if I already knew all the twists that were going to happen.

Makes sense.  It all boils down to the individual I guess.  Still, there's more in the books than in the show so it's not all rehashed.  It's also interesting to note the differences between the versions too.

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Re: Non-Readers (No Book Spoilers) Game of Thrones TV Show Thread
« Reply #66 on: Jul 10, 2012, 03:04:06 AM »
The Game of Thrones TV series is what I wish Warner Bros would have done with Dumbledore's sexuality in the Harry Potter movies.

At what point in the story (keep in mind I'm a guy who read up to "Order of The Phoenix" and then stopped, but saw all the films) could Dumbledore's sexuality been credibly brought into the story of a bunch of kids coming of age at a magical boarding school?
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Re: Non-Readers (No Book Spoilers) Game of Thrones TV Show Thread
« Reply #67 on: Jul 10, 2012, 04:39:10 AM »
The Game of Thrones TV series is what I wish Warner Bros would have done with Dumbledore's sexuality in the Harry Potter movies.

At what point in the story (keep in mind I'm a guy who read up to "Order of The Phoenix" and then stopped, but saw all the films) could Dumbledore's sexuality been credibly brought into the story of a bunch of kids coming of age at a magical boarding school?


yea. it's not like there are any boarding school homosexuality cliches to work off of or anything.

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Re: Non-Readers (No Book Spoilers) Game of Thrones TV Show Thread
« Reply #68 on: Jul 10, 2012, 07:50:18 AM »
The Game of Thrones TV series is what I wish Warner Bros would have done with Dumbledore's sexuality in the Harry Potter movies.

At what point in the story (keep in mind I'm a guy who read up to "Order of The Phoenix" and then stopped, but saw all the films) could Dumbledore's sexuality been credibly brought into the story of a bunch of kids coming of age at a magical boarding school?

In the kast book, Dumbledore's history was explored heavily and that included his friendship with Grindlewald which Rowling latter revealed to be more than just a friendship.  They barely touched on who Dumbledore was in the movies and such didn't have the same foot in the door to explore it.  If the.last movies were more faithful then it could have reasonably been explored IMO.

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Re: Non-Readers (No Book Spoilers) Game of Thrones TV Show Thread
« Reply #69 on: Jul 10, 2012, 07:15:20 PM »
The Game of Thrones TV series is what I wish Warner Bros would have done with Dumbledore's sexuality in the Harry Potter movies.

At what point in the story (keep in mind I'm a guy who read up to "Order of The Phoenix" and then stopped, but saw all the films) could Dumbledore's sexuality been credibly brought into the story of a bunch of kids coming of age at a magical boarding school?

In the kast book, Dumbledore's history was explored heavily and that included his friendship with Grindlewald which Rowling latter revealed to be more than just a friendship.  They barely touched on who Dumbledore was in the movies and such didn't have the same foot in the door to explore it.  If the.last movies were more faithful then it could have reasonably been explored IMO.

how much longer would the movie need to have been to have included some worthwhile amount of story to that effect?
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Re: Non-Readers (No Book Spoilers) Game of Thrones TV Show Thread
« Reply #70 on: Jul 10, 2012, 07:31:11 PM »


At what point in the story (keep in mind I'm a guy who read up to "Order of The Phoenix" and then stopped, but saw all the films) could Dumbledore's sexuality been credibly brought into the story of a bunch of kids coming of age at a magical boarding school?

If I remember correctly (it's been awhile since I've read it), here's a scene in the last book where Dumbledore expands on his past more and talks about Grindelwald and him sneaking over to each other house's in the middle of the night and Dumbledore speaks about being inflamed by Grindelwald.  Considering the other Harry Potter movies were about 2 hours and 20 min each and Deathly Hallows Part II was only around 2 hours, they could have easily used another 30 min to film flashbacks of Dumbledore's past like they did with Snape's past.

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Re: Non-Readers (No Book Spoilers) Game of Thrones TV Show Thread
« Reply #71 on: Jul 10, 2012, 08:14:45 PM »
The Game of Thrones TV series is what I wish Warner Bros would have done with Dumbledore's sexuality in the Harry Potter movies.

At what point in the story (keep in mind I'm a guy who read up to "Order of The Phoenix" and then stopped, but saw all the films) could Dumbledore's sexuality been credibly brought into the story of a bunch of kids coming of age at a magical boarding school?

In the kast book, Dumbledore's history was explored heavily and that included his friendship with Grindlewald which Rowling latter revealed to be more than just a friendship.  They barely touched on who Dumbledore was in the movies and such didn't have the same foot in the door to explore it.  If the.last movies were more faithful then it could have reasonably been explored IMO.

how much longer would the movie need to have been to have included some worthwhile amount of story to that effect?

I was pretty upset that they barely even touched on Dumbledore's past in the films whereas it was so important in the book.  Still, considering that even Rowling didn't directly include the fact he was gay in the books, I don't fault the movie makers for it.  I agree it would have been nice to touch on it though.

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Re: Non-Readers (No Book Spoilers) Game of Thrones TV Show Thread
« Reply #72 on: Jul 11, 2012, 07:25:19 AM »
Question:  is anyone not rooting for Dany?
I liked her in season 1, but in season 2 she seems whiny and entitled, and acts like she has already accomplished her goals and is a powerful ruler with mighty dragons and an army at her side, when all she has up to the last episode is some pretty pets and a bunch of dying people following her around.

It started with the scene where she demands entry into Qarth and threatens to come back to burn the city down if they don't allow her entry based on her unsubstantiated claim that she has dragons in her possession, even though everybody there at the time knows that if they turn her back she's gonna die. The only reason she didn't just die from her own stupidity right there was because she was saved by the warlocks, and then only because they (presumably, noticing that their magic was returning because of the dragons) knew that she actually had them.

Then she strolls around the city talking about how great she is, when she has done nothing to show that she deserves any respect at all (at least not to them), and demanding ships and money and all sorts of things be given to her based on what comes off as the complete delusion she entertains that she can just snap her fingers and Westeros will give itself over to her (especially considering how cluelessly she presented herself at the city gates).

Oh, and at the end of it all she kills her servant girl because the servant was sleeping with the dude who betrayed her, even though she (implicitly) told the servant girl to sleep with him to garner his trust. And even if she hadn't, what else was that girl supposed to do, given what she thought was true? Her kalesi is dead, and her choice is between poverty/prostitution/death, or staying with the richest guy in Qarth - she did the best of the situation she was put in. And she's killed for it, even though Dany did more or less the same thing with Khal Drogo...

And then she just walks out of the city uncontested, after (by all appearances) being partially responsible for the death of the entire council, having killed the warlocks, and having now (all but) killed the most powerful guy remaining... what, doesn't that place have other, influential people? What about the families of the assassinated council? Aren't there any other warlocks? Are there no organizations to step in and do something about this? Doesn't the army that the city must have for its defence care? No ambitious officers in its ranks want to do anything about this? She has basically no guards, she just caused total havoc in the city, and then she's free to loot and pillage (albeit on a small scale)? And nobody cares? We should at least have had some scenes with the reactions of the city's second-in-line to justify this; as it was presented it seemed like the entire thing was written for The Legend of Korra or something.

Really didn't like her in S2. Felt the same way about Jon Snow, too, though that's a rant for another time.
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Re: Non-Readers (No Book Spoilers) Game of Thrones TV Show Thread
« Reply #73 on: Jul 11, 2012, 05:19:05 PM »
Yeah, they really messed up both of their plots. And their characterizations. I was disappoint.

 

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