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Re: LCHF and healthy eating
« Reply #405 on: December 14, 2016, 11:03:15 PM »
Hey, if any of you skeptics happen to have a LCHF fanatic dieter on your holiday shopping list, might I suggest:

"The Case Against Sugar" by Gary Taubes

I can't believe this has slipped under my radar! 
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Re: LCHF and healthy eating
« Reply #406 on: December 17, 2016, 04:42:48 PM »
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db267.htm


Life expectancy is indeed declining.
We can't conclude that "life expectancy is declining" from data showing a decline for a single year, and a tiny, 0.1 year, decline at that.  Additionally, the decline seems to be entirely among those under age 65, suggesting that the decline that year was not due to an increase in chronic lifestyle diseases.  Indeed, if you look at the webpage, you'll see that an increase in cardiovascular deaths was more than offset (by a factor of 2) by a decline in cancer deaths.


From statistician Andrew Gelman's blog: "Calm down. American life expectancy isn't falling.... The drop in US life expectancy last year was the smallest among six drops between 1960 and 2015...half the size of the next smallest drop." 

The change was 1.5%, but the standard deviation in year-to-year change is 4%.  In other words, the "drop" is statistical noise.
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Re: LCHF and healthy eating
« Reply #407 on: December 19, 2016, 07:31:34 PM »
That doesn't follow. If chronic-lifestyle diseases includes obesity, then it's not unusual that it would claim more victims under 65. Especially considering that the leading cause of death is heart disease and that is the major risk factor for obesity.
So an increase in heart disease, 80% of whose victims are over 65, is supposed to explain why life expectancy at birth went down but life expectancy at 65 didn't?
The world is so exquisite with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there's little good evidence. Far better...is to look death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides.

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Re: LCHF and healthy eating
« Reply #408 on: December 24, 2016, 05:24:49 PM »
Merry Xmas All. I think I'll have to be applying the 80/20 rule after opening my presents.  There may not be any wheat in those chocolate chip biscuits.... but.  And she got me a big jar of dark chocolate peanut butter.  Oh no!  It is too good.
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« Reply #409 on: January 03, 2017, 09:19:13 PM »
I heard a physician (on the Jimmy Moore show) say that one of the hundred controls (n=100, AHA diet) in her research obesity/T2D project(two years) called her up and wanted to be moved to the intervention arm as her friends in that arm had lost heaps of weight and stopped taking their meds. 

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Re: LCHF and healthy eating
« Reply #410 on: January 12, 2017, 01:59:50 PM »
How a Western diet leads to overeating and obesity: Peripheral endocannabinoid signaling identified as a pharmaceutical target for overeating associated with diet-induced obesity --

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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/01/170111184359.htm

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More than two in three adults in the United States are considered overweight or obese, with substantial biomedical and clinical evidence suggesting that chronic overconsumption of a 'western diet' -- foods consisting high levels of sugars and fats -- is a major cause of this epidemic. New research now shows that chronic consumption of a western diet leads to overeating and obesity due to elevations in 'peripheral endocannabinoid signaling.'
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Re: LCHF and healthy eating
« Reply #411 on: January 12, 2017, 04:11:29 PM »
Thanks.  I just re-listend to an older interview with Alan Cooper (director of the Australian centre for ancient DNA) and he waxed potently against the grain based agricultural revolution... worst mistake ever, he says.

www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/20148635/alan-cooper-exploring-human-history
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Re: LCHF and healthy eating
« Reply #412 on: January 12, 2017, 05:47:55 PM »
How a Western diet leads to overeating and obesity: Peripheral endocannabinoid signaling identified as a pharmaceutical target for overeating associated with diet-induced obesity --

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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/01/170111184359.htm

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More than two in three adults in the United States are considered overweight or obese, with substantial biomedical and clinical evidence suggesting that chronic overconsumption of a 'western diet' -- foods consisting high levels of sugars and fats -- is a major cause of this epidemic. New research now shows that chronic consumption of a western diet leads to overeating and obesity due to elevations in 'peripheral endocannabinoid signaling.'

Now that was good reading.  I can't wait until they develop the medication they describe in the article.  I just don't want to stop eating my western diet because I get so much pleasure from eating.  If I could take a pill that has no other effect than making me get less pleasure from eating, I'd drop weight for sure.

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« Reply #413 on: January 13, 2017, 01:02:26 AM »
How a Western diet leads to overeating and obesity: Peripheral endocannabinoid signaling identified as a pharmaceutical target for overeating associated with diet-induced obesity --

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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/01/170111184359.htm

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More than two in three adults in the United States are considered overweight or obese, with substantial biomedical and clinical evidence suggesting that chronic overconsumption of a 'western diet' -- foods consisting high levels of sugars and fats -- is a major cause of this epidemic. New research now shows that chronic consumption of a western diet leads to overeating and obesity due to elevations in 'peripheral endocannabinoid signaling.'

Not sure how I have managed a BMI of 21 and bodyfat of 10% for all of my life, but judicious and mindful eating must have played a part.  Now at nearly 65, intermittent fasting does the job... just skip breakfast, keep carbs below 100gm/day and I can pig out as much as I like on really great tasting food.  Oh, an active lifestyle doesn't hurt.

Now that was good reading.  I can't wait until they develop the medication they describe in the article.  I just don't want to stop eating my western diet because I get so much pleasure from eating.  If I could take a pill that has no other effect than making me get less pleasure from eating, I'd drop weight for sure.
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LCHF and healthy eating
« Reply #414 on: January 13, 2017, 06:46:09 PM »
https://nyti.ms/2ir52pI

Big Sugar’s Secret Ally? Nutritionists


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Re: LCHF and healthy eating
« Reply #415 on: January 14, 2017, 12:37:57 AM »
Hey, if any of you skeptics happen to have a LCHF fanatic dieter on your holiday shopping list, might I suggest:

"The Case Against Sugar" by Gary Taubes

I am bouncing between "TCAS" and "Sapiens".  Taubes is a brilliant writer.
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