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Re: Trump pick for education secretary is a creationist...
« Reply #90 on: February 11, 2017, 08:02:15 AM »
Does that mean no more Federal grants and/or loans for college as well?
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Re: Trump pick for education secretary is a creationist...
« Reply #91 on: February 11, 2017, 01:26:13 PM »
Most likely they will want to try and change it so they can give federal grants exclusively to religious schools but I think their main goal is in rolling back any regulations that are inconvenient to their agenda. 

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« Reply #92 on: February 11, 2017, 02:12:29 PM »
Most likely they will want to try and change it so they can give federal grants exclusively to religious schools but I think their main goal is in rolling back any regulations that are inconvenient to their agenda.

The first rollback will more likely be to reverse the Obama administration's crackdown on the for-profit schools. These guys have lots of money and political clout. The game is sign up people who can't hack college, load them up with federally-guaranteed debt, and then walk away with the cash while the student gets a shit education.

Real colleges do it this way: Convince the poor kid he is a potential football/basketball star, load him up with federally-guaranteed debt, give him a shit education of easy classes he might be able to pass, and then drop him when his eligibility runs out.
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Re: Trump pick for education secretary is a creationist...
« Reply #93 on: February 11, 2017, 05:23:47 PM »
Real colleges do it this way: Convince the poor kid he is a potential football/basketball star, load him up with federally-guaranteed debt, give him a shit education of easy classes he might be able to pass, and then drop him when his eligibility runs out.

There may be problems with real colleges and with collegiate sports, but that's not it.
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Re: Trump pick for education secretary is a creationist...
« Reply #94 on: February 21, 2017, 02:45:30 PM »
Be prepared for heavy rolls. . . .I suggest reading the whole article
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/influential-conservative-group-trump-devos-should-dismantle-education-department-and-bring-god-into-classrooms/2017/02/15/196bf872-f2df-11e6-8d72-263470bf0401_story.html?utm_term=.2718e1e2ff96

A policy manifesto from an influential conservative group with ties to the Trump administration, including Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, urges the dismantling of the Education Department and bringing God into American classrooms.

The five-page document produced by the Council for National Policy calls for a “restoration of education in America” that would minimize the federal role, promote religious schools and home schooling and enshrine “historic Judeo-Christian principles” as a basis for instruction.
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Re: Trump pick for education secretary is a creationist...
« Reply #95 on: February 21, 2017, 03:48:03 PM »
Be prepared for heavy rolls. . . .I suggest reading the whole article
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/influential-conservative-group-trump-devos-should-dismantle-education-department-and-bring-god-into-classrooms/2017/02/15/196bf872-f2df-11e6-8d72-263470bf0401_story.html?utm_term=.2718e1e2ff96

A policy manifesto from an influential conservative group with ties to the Trump administration, including Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, urges the dismantling of the Education Department and bringing God into American classrooms.

The five-page document produced by the Council for National Policy calls for a “restoration of education in America” that would minimize the federal role, promote religious schools and home schooling and enshrine “historic Judeo-Christian principles” as a basis for instruction.


She will get plenty of resistance to this. Especially when different religions start crying separation of church and state. The first amendment is in play here.
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Re: Trump pick for education secretary is a creationist...
« Reply #96 on: February 21, 2017, 04:54:50 PM »
Be prepared for heavy rolls. . . .I suggest reading the whole article
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/influential-conservative-group-trump-devos-should-dismantle-education-department-and-bring-god-into-classrooms/2017/02/15/196bf872-f2df-11e6-8d72-263470bf0401_story.html?utm_term=.2718e1e2ff96

A policy manifesto from an influential conservative group with ties to the Trump administration, including Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, urges the dismantling of the Education Department and bringing God into American classrooms.

The five-page document produced by the Council for National Policy calls for a “restoration of education in America” that would minimize the federal role, promote religious schools and home schooling and enshrine “historic Judeo-Christian principles” as a basis for instruction.


She will get plenty of resistance to this. Especially when different religions start crying separation of church and state. The first amendment is in play here.

In the UK they do direct state funding for religious schools.  We won't get that here, but many private schools have religious affiliations, so a voucher approach is the likely work around.

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Re: Trump pick for education secretary is a creationist...
« Reply #97 on: February 21, 2017, 05:04:37 PM »
and bringing God into American classrooms.

Yeah - let's require him to show up
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Re: Trump pick for education secretary is a creationist...
« Reply #98 on: February 21, 2017, 05:05:48 PM »
My state Rep, who is home-schooling six kids on fundie curriculum, supports a bill which would give him his kids' share of state funding, which comes to about $35,000-$60,000 annually depending on how you count the funds.

Not a bad second income. But it would kill our rural schools.
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Re: Trump pick for education secretary is a creationist...
« Reply #99 on: February 21, 2017, 05:20:45 PM »
My state Rep, who is home-schooling six kids on fundie curriculum, supports a bill which would give him his kids' share of state funding, which comes to about $35,000-$60,000 annually depending on how you count the funds.

Not a bad second income. But it would kill our rural schools.

Wouldn't pitchforks come out rather quickly? 
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Re: Trump pick for education secretary is a creationist...
« Reply #100 on: February 21, 2017, 05:48:37 PM »
Be prepared for heavy rolls. . . .I suggest reading the whole article
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/influential-conservative-group-trump-devos-should-dismantle-education-department-and-bring-god-into-classrooms/2017/02/15/196bf872-f2df-11e6-8d72-263470bf0401_story.html?utm_term=.2718e1e2ff96

A policy manifesto from an influential conservative group with ties to the Trump administration, including Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, urges the dismantling of the Education Department and bringing God into American classrooms.

The five-page document produced by the Council for National Policy calls for a “restoration of education in America” that would minimize the federal role, promote religious schools and home schooling and enshrine “historic Judeo-Christian principles” as a basis for instruction.


She will get plenty of resistance to this. Especially when different religions start crying separation of church and state. The first amendment is in play here.

In the UK they do direct state funding for religious schools.  We won't get that here, but many private schools have religious affiliations, so a voucher approach is the likely work around.

We don't have separation of church and state... indeed there are 26 bishops of the Church of England in the upper house (House of Lords)

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Re: Trump pick for education secretary is a creationist...
« Reply #101 on: February 21, 2017, 06:54:58 PM »
My state Rep, who is home-schooling six kids on fundie curriculum, supports a bill which would give him his kids' share of state funding, which comes to about $35,000-$60,000 annually depending on how you count the funds.

Not a bad second income. But it would kill our rural schools.

Wouldn't pitchforks come out rather quickly?

Most people have not figured this out. My understanding is that some-20 Republican state reps home-school. Remember these are the same guys just caught paying union rates for heath insurance instead of state non-union employee rates, while tamping down union rights. They have no shame.
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Trump pick for education secretary is a creationist...
« Reply #102 on: February 21, 2017, 08:25:05 PM »
Be prepared for heavy rolls. . . .I suggest reading the whole article
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/influential-conservative-group-trump-devos-should-dismantle-education-department-and-bring-god-into-classrooms/2017/02/15/196bf872-f2df-11e6-8d72-263470bf0401_story.html?utm_term=.2718e1e2ff96

A policy manifesto from an influential conservative group with ties to the Trump administration, including Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, urges the dismantling of the Education Department and bringing God into American classrooms.

The five-page document produced by the Council for National Policy calls for a “restoration of education in America” that would minimize the federal role, promote religious schools and home schooling and enshrine “historic Judeo-Christian principles” as a basis for instruction.


She will get plenty of resistance to this. Especially when different religions start crying separation of church and state. The first amendment is in play here.

In the UK they do direct state funding for religious schools.  We won't get that here, but many private schools have religious affiliations, so a voucher approach is the likely work around.

We don't have separation of church and state... indeed there are 26 bishops of the Church of England in the upper house (House of Lords)

Clergy have never been banned from holding public office in the US. It's not that uncommon. They can run for office just like anyone else. (Don't think the house of lords works that way)
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Re: Trump pick for education secretary is a creationist...
« Reply #103 on: February 22, 2017, 11:06:17 PM »
My state Rep, who is home-schooling six kids on fundie curriculum, supports a bill which would give him his kids' share of state funding, which comes to about $35,000-$60,000 annually depending on how you count the funds.

Not a bad second income. But it would kill our rural schools.

Wouldn't pitchforks come out rather quickly?

This is the shit that keeps me up at night. So, I hope so but it is real hard to get the community to rally against the fundies on much where I am.

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Re: Trump pick for education secretary is a creationist...
« Reply #104 on: February 23, 2017, 03:10:11 AM »
My state Rep, who is home-schooling six kids on fundie curriculum, supports a bill which would give him his kids' share of state funding, which comes to about $35,000-$60,000 annually depending on how you count the funds.

Not a bad second income. But it would kill our rural schools.

Wouldn't pitchforks come out rather quickly?

This is the shit that keeps me up at night. So, I hope so but it is real hard to get the community to rally against the fundies on much where I am.

My semi-hope is if we get a horrible situation is that we get a backlash where  both moth charter schools and home schooling get banned. Many countries don't allow home schooling.
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