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Offline Kwisatz Haderach

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CONTEST - Correctly name that fallacy
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2007, 10:53:24 AM »
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Scott Adams has a book with a collection of logical fallacies, and yet practices "affirmations" (i.e., a variant on Oprah's "Secret").   :shock:


That would be a "poisoning the well," right?

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CONTEST - Correctly name that fallacy
« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2007, 10:55:32 AM »
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Quote from: "RMZ"
Scott Adams has a book with a collection of logical fallacies, and yet practices "affirmations" (i.e., a variant on Oprah's "Secret").   :shock:


That would be a "poisoning the well," right?


Watch it, or I'll cube ya again!   :x
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CONTEST - Correctly name that fallacy
« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2007, 11:12:14 AM »
The rabbit's on the right track, but I'm hoping for something slightly more specific.
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Re: FALLACY #9
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2007, 11:18:51 AM »
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EXAMPLE #9

I don't invest in U.S. Treasury Bills.  There's too much risk.


This is something like inversion.  Assuming an exactly false premise.
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Re: FALLACY #9
« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2007, 11:22:29 AM »
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EXAMPLE #9

I don't invest in U.S. Treasury Bills.  There's too much risk.


There's also an element of unrealistic standards or moving the goalpost.  

"I won't invest in that because it's too risky."

"Well, then what about t-Bills?"

"Still too risky!"
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FALLACY #10
« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2007, 11:33:46 AM »
Hmmm...  There seems to be a consensus building agains me on this one.  I was going for something more like ignoring the counterevidence or one-sided assessment.  T-bills do have risk, but risk can only be assessed relative to other options.  (T-bills have beta < 1)

But I fear I may be reading too much into this one.  Given the vagueness of the example, argument from ignorance and false premise seem equally valid.

So we'll call this point for Rabbit.

Adams' identification:  "Judging Things Without Comparison to Alternatives"



EXAMPLE #10

If you have the right tools, how hard could it be to generate nuclear fusion at home?
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Re: FALLACY #10
« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2007, 11:35:40 AM »
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EXAMPLE #10

If you have the right tools, how hard could it be to generate nuclear fusion at home?



Argument from ignorance, or a slightly inverted argument from personal incredulity?
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Re: FALLACY #10
« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2007, 11:36:51 AM »
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EXAMPLE #10

If you have the right tools, how hard could it be to generate nuclear fusion at home?


This I'd call an argument from ignorance.
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CONTEST - Correctly name that fallacy
« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2007, 11:37:30 AM »
Drat you, RMZ!
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CONTEST - Correctly name that fallacy
« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2007, 11:40:04 AM »
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Drat you, RMZ!


*hides from the tentacles*

 :shock:
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CONTEST - Correctly name that fallacy
« Reply #40 on: August 13, 2007, 11:49:30 AM »
Also, who on earth said you had the equipment to build a fusion reactor in your home?
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THE SCORE AFTER ROUND 10
« Reply #41 on: August 13, 2007, 11:51:57 AM »
THE SCORE AFTER ROUND 10:

Rueful Rabbit 2
Moneyman 1.75
Zeno Itzen 1.5
Oyvind 1
Paul Ganssle 1
thefellswooper 1
RMZ 1
Zam 0.5
bracabaoma 0.25

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FALLACY #11
« Reply #42 on: August 13, 2007, 11:53:55 AM »
Round 10 goes to RMZ

Adams' identification:  "Anything You Don't Understand is Easy to Do"



EXAMPLE 11:

I'm putting ALL my money on the lottery this week because the jackpot is so big!
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Re: FALLACY #11
« Reply #43 on: August 13, 2007, 11:56:34 AM »
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Round 10 goes to RMZ

Adams' identification:  "Anything You Don't Understand is Easy to Do"



EXAMPLE 11:

I'm putting ALL my money on the lottery this week because the jackpot is so big!


This is a tough one....  Is there a fallacy called "Being an idiot about probability"?
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Re: FALLACY #11
« Reply #44 on: August 13, 2007, 11:57:32 AM »
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EXAMPLE 11:

I'm putting ALL my money on the lottery this week because the jackpot is so big!


Confusing association with causation?  So, "If I spend a lot on the lottery, I have a better chance of winning?"
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