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Re: Self-Driving Cars
« Reply #1170 on: February 23, 2017, 09:31:45 PM »
Did you read the article.  Its precisely the reason Ford doesn't want to make a level 3:

"Jim McBride, autonomous vehicles expert at Ford, said this is "the biggest demarcation is between Levels 3 and 4." He's focused on getting Ford straight to Level 4, since Level 3, which involves transferring control from car to human, can often pose difficulties. "We're not going to ask the driver to instantaneously intervene—that's not a fair proposition," McBride said."

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Re: Self-Driving Cars
« Reply #1171 on: February 24, 2017, 02:32:17 AM »
Did you read the article.  Its precisely the reason Ford doesn't want to make a level 3:

"Jim McBride, autonomous vehicles expert at Ford, said this is "the biggest demarcation is between Levels 3 and 4." He's focused on getting Ford straight to Level 4, since Level 3, which involves transferring control from car to human, can often pose difficulties. "We're not going to ask the driver to instantaneously intervene—that's not a fair proposition," McBride said."

Yes, but I only read what was written, I didn't add my words. Nowhere does he suggest the car would shift control to the driver as you suggested.
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Re: Self-Driving Cars
« Reply #1172 on: February 24, 2017, 06:42:37 AM »
Did you read the article.  Its precisely the reason Ford doesn't want to make a level 3:

"Jim McBride, autonomous vehicles expert at Ford, said this is "the biggest demarcation is between Levels 3 and 4." He's focused on getting Ford straight to Level 4, since Level 3, which involves transferring control from car to human, can often pose difficulties. "We're not going to ask the driver to instantaneously intervene—that's not a fair proposition," McBride said."

Yes, but I only read what was written, I didn't add my words. Nowhere does he suggest the car would shift control to the driver as you suggested.

So you mean maybe it would just make a friendly suggestion, ("I really feel this would be in your best interest to take over right at this moment! Like right NOW would be better than later, I am just saying. If I was you I wouldn't delay much longer my friend. I am, not joking...!")

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Re: Self-Driving Cars
« Reply #1173 on: February 24, 2017, 11:18:33 AM »
Did you read the article.  Its precisely the reason Ford doesn't want to make a level 3:

"Jim McBride, autonomous vehicles expert at Ford, said this is "the biggest demarcation is between Levels 3 and 4." He's focused on getting Ford straight to Level 4, since Level 3, which involves transferring control from car to human, can often pose difficulties. "We're not going to ask the driver to instantaneously intervene—that's not a fair proposition," McBride said."

Yes, but I only read what was written, I didn't add my words. Nowhere does he suggest the car would shift control to the driver as you suggested.

So you mean maybe it would just make a friendly suggestion, ("I really feel this would be in your best interest to take over right at this moment! Like right NOW would be better than later, I am just saying. If I was you I wouldn't delay much longer my friend. I am, not joking...!")

Nope. The idea is not that the car would say, "I'm sorry, I can't go do that, Dave"

The idea is that the car would do all the work on the freeways and main roads, but when you get to unimproved roads or one lane roads, unmapped roads, long driveways, roads with lots of non-vehicular traffic or dirt roads, the human would take control.

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Re: Self-Driving Cars
« Reply #1174 on: February 28, 2017, 10:52:46 PM »
Murphy's Law: Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.
Morvis' Law: Anything that does go wrong is my fault.

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Re: Self-Driving Cars
« Reply #1175 on: March 01, 2017, 08:54:56 AM »
So, the video asks the question, how to deal with the moral dilemma that autonomous cars are going to face, in the face of choosing what type of accident to have or avoid?

And the answer in the video?  The answer is: Never mind, that is not the important question, because, well, people already die in accidents now.  Seriously, that was their answer.

The entire video is really just a quick promotional plea for more autonomous cars.  Including the extremely dubious and misleading claim that airplanes that are flown on autopilot have been shown to be safer than those flown by pilots.  That is a load of bunk, because there is no direct comparison that can and has been made, because airlines limit what they allow the autopilot to do. And furthermore most of what the autopilot is allowed to do is decided by the pilot themselves, who give all sorts of instructions to the computer about what types of settings to use, and where and how to fly. 

Pure science propaganda.   

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Re: Self-Driving Cars
« Reply #1176 on: March 01, 2017, 09:38:39 AM »
Yeah. Code the car to take out the SUV. In that RARE event we MIGHT have a couple injuries. The biggest payoff will be in removing the human error and reducing the death toll by a magnitude. The more autonomous cars we have the less likely an accident will even occur.
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